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I can appreciate that nothing should be free from criticism, and also that criticism of something is not an excuse to dogpile the critic. I abhor the gatekeepers but I think the reverse can also be true - fans who won't allow any critique of examination of what they love without reacting very badly to it.
Bottom line, people should be free to enjoy things, and free to dislike them, without attracting outrage and abuse.
That said, I'm not a fan of nitpicking. I've been a Trekkie since TNG, so I'm well aware of how we can behave as a fandom, good and bad, and nitpicking annoys me. Look hard enough and you can nitpick anything about everything, and the point of that is to... ?
Bottom line, people should be free to enjoy things, and free to dislike them, without attracting outrage and abuse.
That said, I'm not a fan of nitpicking. I've been a Trekkie since TNG, so I'm well aware of how we can behave as a fandom, good and bad, and nitpicking annoys me. Look hard enough and you can nitpick anything about everything, and the point of that is to... ?
That's the question.Look hard enough and you can nitpick anything about everything, and the point of that is to... ?
I have no issue with criticism. I don't see this shuttle as being a criticism but nitpicking. Watching something to nitpick it? What's the point?
There are exactly three ships in Starfleet I care about:
USS Enterprise, NCC-1701
USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-A
USS Discovery, NCC-1031
That's it.
The rest I couldn't care less about. A chopper is a chopper and any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.
I'd argue that they are far more balanced, fair, and even handed about Discovery than many other Trek Channels.
pick out inconsistencies.
Ok, so you care about fewer ships than I and many fans do.
We love MANY, MANY ships
Yup.
The starships are what got me into Star Trek, but as much as I love them, I can't get worked about things like this as I used to. Life's too short, and not everybody views these ships like we do, and we got to accept that.
I think TOS started this habit of fetishising ships with the Enterprise and Kirk. You have "The Naked Time" where Kirk seems to imply that he eschews relationships with female crew members because... it's like "cheating" on the Enterprise? Then you have TMP and the copious amounts Refit Enterprise porn, with Kirk seemingly going after the Enterprise the way someone might go after an old flame. This theme also pops in the subsequent TOS era films. Then TNG introduces the Enterprise-D with its bigger size, and families onboard, and new state-of-the-art systems, and SAUCER SEPARATION!!! (owwww, ahhhh). Then Picard in First Contact is adamant he won't lose the Enterprise-E like he did the Enterprise-D, and he smashes the gold plated Enterprise-D model and he's crestfallen. On DS9, the station started out as a POS and the runabouts didn't get much fanfare because they were basically shuttles, but then Sisko got his "baby" the Defiant. Voyager was another "hot new thing", but it also became Janeway's "home" for her "family". The NX-01 had its Warp 5 engines designed by Papa Archer, so Jonathan Archer had to command it because fuck the Vulcans and hurray nepotism. Discovery has its spore drive, which allows it to go anywhere (including parallel anywheres), and its connected to the mycelial network, which is connected to the multiverse and all living things and so {insert New Age nonsensical diatribe here}. In the 32nd Century, it will probably serve as a symbol of hope, and it will actually develop a female personality. I guess La Sirena might be the first heroship which doesn't garner much awe, since its mostly a simple freighter/transport. Its only noteworthy feature is that it's painted like Eddie Van Halen's guitar.
They don't have to. But it's not going to stop me, and others like me, from being me and nit picky about things.
Do not discount the "La Sirena". It's one cool little Speed Freightor.
What's the purpose of picking out inconsistencies? As you said, TOS, TNG etc - every incarnation of Trek has had inconsistencies. What benefit does it do to your enjoyment to point them out? What do you expect of the writers? Absolute perfection?
Yeah...well we wouldn't be much Star Trek fans if we didn't nitpick. It's not a defect, it's a feature.
We strive for the level of Star Trek Nerdery that Mike McMahan has. That level of excellence of execution. That love of details.
Part of Star Trek's World Building is the LOVE of details to EVERY LITTLE thing that TNG brought to us.
Including consistency in the technology, the ships, the gadgets, the lore, the rules on how things worked, and how to bypass them cleanly.
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Do you think the writers put CGI elements there?
We can be Trekkies and not nitpick every last detail to death. It's not a 'must-have feature' of the fandom. It can be detrimental to some. We know the writers are only human and there will always be little issues here and there.
Does that matter? The people who work on the shows - be they designing CGI or writing or whatever - work very hard, under tight deadlines, and they'll make mistakes. They're not perfect. Strive to be as good as possible, but to expect perfection is to place an unreasonable level of pressure upon shoulders.
Easy now. I love Star Trek ships. I have purchased every Ships of the Line calendar since 2003 and I have kept them all. But I honestly don't give a shit if they reuse designs. It really does not matter. At all.
For someone so concerned about getting the details right, you spelled Mike McMahan's name wrong.
Then hire a continuity staff writer who takes care of the background things like Gadgets, Ships, Tech, etc.
If you have a Science Advisor for TNG and TOS, why can't you have a continuity Advisor.
Star Wars has a official Lore Keeper.
And there are generations of Star Trek / Star Wars fans who cares about all the technical details of every bit of machinery, widget, ship, blaster, etc.
Thanks, I went in and fixed it.
I guess it doesn't matter to you. To some of us (TrekYards duo & myself & a few others), it does matter, that's why I created this topic.
British Airways still fly a Dornier 328 (go to 9:16 in the video). Reusing assets isn't my first choice, but I'm not seeing an issue with a blink and you missed it cameo.
Not at all. But people do love the details, which is part of what kept the universe afloat for 50+ years.
I'm a fairly happy person overall, Star Trek is a hobby much like rooting for a sports team, the nitpicks are just something to talk about.
Not at all. But people do love the details, which is part of what kept the universe afloat for 50+ years.
I'm a fairly happy person overall, Star Trek is a hobby much like rooting for a sports team, the nitpicks are just something to talk about.
I like the attitude expressed by Terrance Dicks on Doctor Who better. "Continuity is only whatever I can remember."
That's what it comes across as is expecting absolute perfection and nitpicking when it fails to meet that standard.
It might not be intended as such but it definitely lacks any loving feeling. (insert "Bring back that Loving Feeling" here).
We really would. Fandom is not limited in its definition of "those who nitpick."
Reminds me of a Calvin and Hobbes comic were Calvin goes "I don't know. I figured teachers just slept in coffins all summer." I think production teams are treated similarly.
No, not really. In this post scarcity, replicator driven, world it would be a very small thing to replicate an old design.
As the Curator on Doctor Who put it "You might find yourself revisiting old favorites."
And then people also would rationalize away those inconsistencies rather than treating the production team as the enemy. There's a line here and I feel like instead of enjoying coming up with rationales it is immediately viewed as a problem to nitpick when a detail is out of line.
Again, this is about nitpicking, not criticism.
I guess Trek writers need their version of Christopher Tolkien who would remember inane details from the Hobbit and correct his dad in various drafts.
I prefer doing better than that, we have the internet, Memory Alpha, countless technical manuels, etc.
That's how we show our love, if we didn't care, we wouldn't even be talking about this subject or watching the show. There's more than one way to show love & appreciation for a work.
I guess we'll have different ways of loving the same franchise.
You have your types who only cares about stories, there's the other types like us, who cares about all the other little details on top of story. Story isn't the only aspect of a show. World Building, details, rules, lore, technology, etc.
I expect them to be working on the next season.
But why would you when you can have the latest & greatest design.
That's fine if the point of the episode is to travel back and revisit an old favorite.
But we just left that era and were expecting new stuff from the new era.
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