2239 Discovery Shuttles used in 3188?!?!?! - Trekyards Analysis

[fireproof78]

IIRC, you're one of those people who wouldn't care if Spock suddenly had 3 points on his purple ears, so it makes sense for you to not care about such details. If only the story itself matters to you, that's perfectly fine. But there are people who do care about the tech, the ships, the props, the costumes, the alien makeup, etc., and most of them are probably not stupid.

Nitpicking can be fun - maybe not for you, but for others - how do you tell if someone is happy or not from a forum text or a youtube video where nobody's shouting?

I've been on the other side of nitpicking. And, either I've been away from it for too long but I never met someone happy to be doing the nitpicks; who found that they enjoyed the story being told more because of the nitpicks.

And, nowhere did I say a person was stupid. I just find the whole point of view of treating ships as characters as a stupid point of view. It's one point of view I genuinely struggle with understanding.

 

[Dukhat]

They have a budget AND there was a pandemic.........

While this is true, to my knowledge there wasn't a problem with the pandemic or the budget when 'Children of Mars' was filmed, which included both DSC shutttles and two DSC-era starships, even though the Short Trek takes place in 2386. It was a problem of time: things were rushed and there wasn't time to create a new shuttle or get the Wallenberg CGI models ready for the shot, so they just used what they had on hand. I don't think this is any different. It's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it shot of a shuttle.

Now with that said, would I have rather seen a new 32nd century era shuttle instead, even for a split second? Of course. But that's not what's going to happen in CBSTrek. We're going to get reused production assets, and we'll just have to be happy that there's anything new at all, just like Star Trek has always been. I'm actually surprised that we even got the Inquiry class in PIC rather than a reuse of, say, the DSC Cardenas class as a circa-2399-era ship.

 

[fireproof78]

I think I might be happier without new Trek. It's a weird place to me but I am feeling very contemplative watching the discussion continue on with the same talking points despite a new season.

 

[Harpsichord]

The hazards of doing CGI instead of practical. If you're doing it practical and you need a random background ship you can kitbash some monstrosity together in an afternoon. I'm sure the 3D modellers they have working for them are very skilled but they probably can't whip up something that'd be usable on screen in an afternoon. And, obviously, spending more time than that on a background ship you can barely notice without pausing would be malpractice.

 

[1001001]

Some Star Trek fans are like tweakers taking apart a TV set even though it works just fine.

 

[Dukhat]

I think I might be happier without new Trek. It's a weird place to me but I am feeling very contemplative watching the discussion continue on with the same talking points despite a new season.

Get used to it.

The hazards of doing CGI instead of practical. If you're doing it practical and you need a random background ship you can kitbash some monstrosity together in an afternoon. I'm sure the 3D modellers they have working for them are very skilled but they probably can't whip up something that'd be usable on screen in an afternoon. And, obviously, spending more time than that on a background ship you can barely notice without pausing would be malpractice.

Actually, it's a lot harder and more time-consuming to build a physical model and film it than it is to just rearrange things on a CGI model.

 

[DarthTimon]

I didn't even notice the shuttle. It was a minor detail in the background and not the focus, as it should be.

 

[fireproof78]

Get used to it.

Eventually.

 

[Harpsichord]

Actually, it's a lot harder and more time-consuming to build a physical model and film it than it is to just rearrange things on a CGI model.

Well then, time to bust out the pitchforks and torches.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Didn't notice, don't care

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Jesus.......it's in the background as traffic. Not a hero ship. They have a budget AND there was a pandemic.........

And because of the Pandemic, they have more time to get things right.

To my mind, that's the stupidest point of view. That's like saying that the house on Full House was a character.

Too many "Full House" fans, that house is part of the family.
That's why they took ALOT of care & details in recreating it.

https://ew.com/article/2016/02/12/fuller-house-set-jerry-dunn/

Also, the ship in question was a background ship so it doesn't even fall under the "main ship" descriptor. Again, it comes across as dissection, unloving, uncompassionate, disinterested in anything good and searching for the bad.

Just because there is criticism, doesn't mean we won't still watch ST: DISCO and give it a fair shot.
The guys at TrekYards and I still watch it just like you do. We enjoy it to some degree, but we have every right to be equally critical as well when you make, what we believe, to be basic mistakes.
Every show will get equal opportunity criticism, no show is free of that.

So, I was on the road driving one day, and then I saw someone driving an antique car from the 1930s. Canon Violation in Real Life! Oh no! "What's someone doing driving a car from almost 100 years ago?!"

Didn't Book say some people are really into antiques? So there you go.

If you were living 900 years from now, would you expect anybody in their modern day to drive automobiles from today when the vast majority of people are driving vehicles of that era?

 

[fireproof78]

Just because there is criticism, doesn't mean we won't still watch ST: DISCO and give it a fair shot.
The guys at TrekYards and I still watch it just like you do. We enjoy it to some degree, but we have every right to be equally critical as well when you make, what we believe, to be basic mistakes.
Every show will get equal opportunity criticism, no show is free of that.

Watching doesn't equal enjoyment it seems anymore.

I'm saying it should be free of criticism but this is something that a lot of people missed. So, it strikes me as nitpicking for the sake of it.

Mileage, etc.

If you were living 900 years from now, would you expect anybody in their modern day to drive automobiles from today when the vast majority of people are driving vehicles of that era?

Yes.

 

[Lord Garth]

If you were living 900 years from now, would you expect anybody in their modern day to drive automobiles from today when the vast majority of people are driving vehicles of that era?

A ship is a ship.

30 years ago, I wouldn't expect to see people driving 100-year-old cars because they were no 100-year-old cars. Today there are.

If someone maintains their antique, and there are still ships that fly, then it's just another ship. An old ship, but still a ship. After the Burn, I'm imagining that Starfleet was in a situation where "beggars can't be choosers", so anything that they could get working, they used. The situation was that bad.

"This doesn't make sense!" is my last resort, not my first resort. If I'm the one saying it doesn't make sense, you can take it to the bank that it really doesn't. Because I would've had to have thought through a lot of other stuff first before I came to that conclusion.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Watching doesn't equal enjoyment it seems anymore.

If we didn't enjoy it, we wouldn't be watching it. But we are watching it, so that means we like it well enough.

I'm saying it should be free of criticism but this is something that a lot of people missed. So, it strikes me as nitpicking for the sake of it.

No iteration of Star Trek, even from TOS/TNG was free of criticism. I'm sure you'll find plenty of Trekkies who criticized various aspects of each show as it was debuting. Just because there is criticism, doesn't mean we can't enjoy the product.

Mileage, etc.

A ship is a ship.

I guess that's how you look at it, to me, it's a integral part of the story.

30 years ago, I wouldn't expect to see people driving 100-year-old cars because they were no 100-year-old cars. Today there are.

Yet I VERY RARELY see 100 year old cars on the road, the only place I see them is primarily in museums & car shows.

If someone maintains their antique, and there are still ships that fly, then it's just another ship. An old ship, but still a ship. After the Burn, I'm imagining that Starfleet was in a situation where "beggars can't be choosers", so anything that they could get working, they used. The situation was that bad.

It's over 140+ years after "The Burn". I'm sure StarFleet got it's logistics back up.

 

[fireproof78]

If we didn't enjoy it, we wouldn't be watching it. But we are watching it, so that means we like it well enough.

I'll take your word for it at this point.

No iteration of Star Trek, even from TOS/TNG was free of criticism. I'm sure you'll find plenty of Trekkies who criticized various aspects of each show as it was debuting. Just because there is criticism, doesn't mean we can't enjoy the product.

So, finding a Discovery era shuttle that not many people noticed and had no bearing on the story is enjoyment?

People are weird.

 

[XCV330]

there needs to be a damned good reason for a hiawatha type ship, yes

 

[Lord Garth]

Yet I VERY RARELY see 100 year old cars on the road, the only place I see them is primarily in museums & car shows.

I very rarely see them too. But sometimes I do.

It's over 140+ years after "The Burn". I'm sure StarFleet got it's logistics back up.

If Sahil's anything to go by, they don't have shit.

 

[fireproof78]

there needs to be a damned good reason for a hiawatha type ship, yes

Agreed on that point, if it features so heavily as part of the Burn.

 

[NCC-73515]

I guess some people were so affected by the great forum wars of the past that they project their old enemy concepts on new (innocent) members

 

[Phily B]

The thing is, they don't care. They're not gonna redesign shuttles just for nerds who watch scenes with ships frame by frame. They're flying around in the background, it isn't important or something anyone would notice without slowing everything down. They did it on TNG and DS9 too, people came up with excuses back then and they can come up with excuses now. It's part of the fun.

Like them sneaking in a Constitution class at Wolf 359, it's fun to imagine that they were so desperate that they loaded up a museum or training ship with photon torpedoes and sent it in. Or the prevalence of Miranda classes going toe to toe with the Dominion, despite the more advanced Akira class being available, fun head canon. There's lots of nonsensical "kitbash" stuff as well.