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2 million fewer viewers

Finally, all those people that hated Who, but still watched it so they could whine and complain about how good the show used to be have stopped watching. Less bickering on the forums now, hopefully. :D :D :D

Ah yes, we Star Trek: Enterprise fans popped the cork on that same vintage, in celebration, around 2003. :D ;)
 
They need a second show to act as a fluffer.

Which is what Torchwood and Sarah Jane used to do perfectly.

Rather than making a spin off series with a companion, why not just give Paul McGann access to the production apparatus on the off season?
 
6.54 million viewers and probably a 25%+ share of the audience ain't too shabby. Also that number does not include the 1.3 million BBC I Player views.
 
My only concern, and I don't know how real this is, is that if enough people do not watch it live then the BBC may move it to a bad timeslot (like 2pm on a Sunday) and thus it may lose more of its budget as it would no longer be a prime time show. It may end up with a slow death, and we do have four weeks of World Cup left.

On the other hand, I think Heroes Reborn also got about 6 million viewers the other day and more people in America watching TV than in UK.
 
The saving grace for the series is the money it makes for them but the BBC can't let things continue like this.

I'd hope that Moffat went first but while it's totally unfair on him if things don't impove Capaldi will be given the boot and they'll be looking for Tennant Mark II.

If one wants to be cynical, setting Doctor Who up for low ratings would be a way for the BBC to get rid of Moffat without a lot of blowback. I'm just saying... :)

Let's game this out. If the BBC felt a shakeup needed to be made, Moffat would probably be the first to go because he's been there the longest, he's been the voice of the series, and he's overseen the decline. The BBC would argue that Moffat has stayed too long, his ideas are tired, and he doesn't have anything new to bring to the table.

If the show continued to muddle or decline, the BBC would then replace Capaldi, and I rather suspect "Tennant Mark II" would be an actress rather than an actor as a very visible way to shake the series up and get eyeballs back on it.

The one funny thing is after years of people saying that the series should be shown later in the year and later in the day, the exact opposite is now being said.

From an American point of view, a 7:30-ish start time in late September makes perfect sense (and 8:30-ish next week would be even better); that's the heart of our prime time (and earlier than BBC America shows it), plus this is when shows launch their new seasons. I see people screaming for a six o'clock start time on Gallifrey Base in the ratings threads, and my immediate reaction is, American cultural perspective and all that, "Why? That's way the frell early. That's dinner time, and people are eating." I realize that, to the people screaming for six o'clock, that makes sense to them within their culture, but still, after thirty years of being an American Who fan and recognizing how very different the cultures are, it seems weird.
Heh, being on the West Coast, I get the East Coast Feed (Both Comcast and AT&T UVerse), so, I've been getting it at 6pm for years (Repeated at 9pm)
 
My only concern, and I don't know how real this is, is that if enough people do not watch it live then the BBC may move it to a bad timeslot (like 2pm on a Sunday) and thus it may lose more of its budget as it would no longer be a prime time show. It may end up with a slow death, and we do have four weeks of World Cup left.

On the other hand, I think Heroes Reborn also got about 6 million viewers the other day and more people in America watching TV than in UK.

Doctor Who is a massive hit worldwide and worth plenty of £££ to a corporation facing cuts from a Tory Government so it's going nowhere.
 
How do they even keep track? Are they able to know who is tuned in? Also, does BBC America count in there?

I'm don't know about other stations, but BBCA shows hour after hour of Doctor Who at times. They replayed the whole last series the day before the premier that weekend. I doubt they would do that with a show they are unsure about people liking.
 
How do they even keep track? Are they able to know who is tuned in?

About 1000 households have BARB viewing boxes that track live/catch-up watching with viewers in the house signing in individually. They also complete brief surveys on things like programme appreciation.

This can be statistically extrapolated to predict viewers across all channels.

BBCA will keep their own figures and at present the UK figures do not track iPlayer views.
 
But presumably they know when Who has been downloaded from iPlayer since they can identify top downloads, I take it you mean they don't know how many times (if any) an episode has been watched?
 
6.54 million viewers and probably a 25%+ share of the audience ain't too shabby. Also that number does not include the 1.3 million BBC I Player views.

Well to put things in perspective in terms of BBC the top 5 shows for the Channel that week where

The Great British Bake Off (Wed) 12.3m
Eastenders (Mon) 7.6m
Doctor Foster (Wed) 7.5m NB: Lead in was GBBO
Doctor Who (Sat) 6.5m
New Tricks (Tue) 6.4m


So it could have been in the Top 10 for shows that week.
 
But presumably they know when Who has been downloaded from iPlayer since they can identify top downloads, I take it you mean they don't know how many times (if any) an episode has been watched?

As you probably know (but some American posters may not), i-Player allows you to alternatively download a programme to a device and warm and re-watch it or else to simply stream and watch it on the site. I assume they can count the amount of times its streamed.
 
But that's different.

Different advertising/revenue is attached to different media releases.

If you're trying to sell tea bags on TV by buying an ad block in the first run of a new episode of Doctor Who, you don't give a shit about the Iplayer three days later that has nothing to do with the reception of your advertising, unless the the BBC is using their iplayer to inflate the numbers of persons watching who, who watch/absorb different (or none?) advertising that has nothign to do with your tea bags.

Total numbers is nice for us.

Sponsors on the other hand look at very specific numbers depending on what their product is and the demographic they want to get the attention of by screening their advertising in specific times for acceptably realistic prices.

Imagine if there were nine million viewers total, but 8 million of thier viewers were on the Iplayer.

The price for advertising space on the TV broadcast would plummet, even though %10 of Britain was watching the show, because they are not watching Doctor Who's TV sponsor who are handing over thousands of pounds a second to advertise where and when they do, because they are promised that that is where the most receptive audience to their product is for the advertising budget they have to spend.
 
^For about the umpteenth time their are NO ADVERTS ON THE BBC. Their is no advertising space to sell.. It doesn't matter if X watch it live, Y watch it time shifted and Z watch it on iPlayer.
 
^For about the umpteenth time their are NO ADVERTS ON THE BBC. Their is no advertising space to sell.. It doesn't matter if X watch it live, Y watch it time shifted and Z watch it on iPlayer.

Really?

Maybe if they had advertising revenue, then their seasons wouldn't be so half assedly short.
 
Maybe if they had advertising revenue, then their seasons wouldn't be so half assedly short.

It's long by UK standards, even for commercial channels.

Exactly. ITV, Channel 4 and even Sky's burgeoning drama and comedy shows are generally in seasons of under 10 episodes.

One has to remember also that British TV channels don't have the huge teams of writers that American ones do. Who probably has a greater rota than most, as well as the likes of Neil Gaiman who will happily guest write a script for it, but still not to the extent that American shows have.
 
I want at least 40 regular sized episodes per year, as well as three to 5 movie sized tv specials.

This is what I want, and I am fully prepared to do absolutely nothing to see all that becomes a reality.
 
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