Interesting yes, but won't mean a single thing to the BBC though.
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Interesting yes, but won't mean a single thing to the BBC though.
Is that an absolute fact? Like, do we know that for a certainty? I know they shouldn't care, but, the amount of revenue they get from international sales, that doesn't impact in the slightest decision making?
Levels and departments who are in competition with each other.
If Foreign sales does better than domestic sales, bonuses, layoffs and promotions are handed out accordingly.
Creatives are not really responsible for sales, but if the creatives are producing a shit product, in so that no one can sell it, the higher levels of management taking it out on the sales teams, might consider laying into the producers and their staff.
(No Advertising in Britain. I know.)
And that's just Who internally.
Now consider that Who in Britain is in competition on many levels with programming on their own network, and competing networks for dominance, before they have to consider that similar battles are happening on a hundred other markets globally as firstrun elite programming, syndication, streaming and physical media.
The only way these Suits make money is by standing on each others throats.
If Foreign sales does better than domestic sales, bonuses, layoffs and promotions are handed out accordingly.
Creatives are not really responsible for sales, but if the creatives are producing a shit product, in so that no one can sell it, the higher levels of management taking it out on the sales teams, might consider laying into the producers and their staff.
(No Advertising in Britain. I know.)
And that's just Who internally.
Now consider that Who in Britain is in competition on many levels with programming on their own network, and competing networks for dominance, before they have to consider that similar battles are happening on a hundred other markets globally as firstrun elite programming, syndication, streaming and physical media.
The only way these Suits make money is by standing on each others throats.
I'm sure it part of the BBC's Charter that they can't. It's the same reason that no matter how much money the show makes in overseas sales and merchandise none of it can go directly back to the programme.
For sales through BBC Worldwide, yes. But the show - at least in the US - has a big "Coproduced by BBC America" logo at the end of the credits. That implies to me that they're putting the money in directly "up front", rather than it going into the general BBC coffers after-the-fact.
Is the charter public? I would assume it is. Maybe it's more clear there.
I wonder how they use the money that is raised from international sales and merchandise. It has to go somewhere. I can't imagine they have a big back account filled with untouchable money. If it doesn't go to the show, where does it go? Can it go to other shows? Operating costs?
The rights sold through BBC Worldwide are used to fund commercial operations and they return profits to BBC proper to use in its overall budget. I think last year it was something like £400m they returned to the BBC. So yes, funds are used in programme making but they're not allowed to use the funds from Doctor Who sales to fund Doctor Who specifically, just BBC Drama as a whole.
How on earth does that work? Doctor Who is in the BBC Drama wing... how do you know which funds do and don't go?
Does that mean international profits of Top Gear don't go back to Top Gear, but, could be used to support Doctor Who? (Of course, assuming Top Gear is in the Drama... which.. yeah... Maybe I should've said like The Last Kingdom or The Musketeer show...)
That said: if Doctor Who is producing a lot of money to be used in BBC Drama, why would you get rid of it? What would be the threshold in the UK for dropping it?
There'd be no logical reason to get rid of it, unless BBC Drama as a whole isn't putting enough money into Who to make it worth airing. It's a two way street, I suppose.
That, or someone with a big office just doesn't like it any more.
Oh I agree completely, the two best episodes he's written IMO (especially The Crimson 'Orror) and the two that stop me from jumping on any kind of anti Gatiss bandwagon. I do think And Adventure in Space and Time was pretty darn near perfect that's all
Agreed all around! Crimson Horror and Cold War were great! And An Adventure in Space and Time was perfect!
Mr Awe
An Adventure in Space and Time was the best thing about the 50th anniversary. Great movie.
That's kinda the point, BBC worldwide return £200m to the BBC, that means the BBCs overall budget is £200m higher than it would be otherwise. That money is spread across all areas of the BBC as it is in the general funds. Doctor Who will get some but so will top gear and the archers, or BBC RADIO 6. It's not about which shore makes most and therefore gets more, it's about the BBC as a whole.
BBC America may use some of their own budget to co produce shows but that is from their own budget not from the money returned to the BBC.
Right. So, then, why would the BBC only look at UK numbers for whether or not it comes back? Why, in this thread, the obsession with UK viewing numbers?
But, that's not really true is it? If DW does well here in the States, BBCA is more likely to co-fund/co-produce it, like it has in the past. So, more money is going to the show.
Mr Awe
Peter Jackson engaged in Fullmetal Alchemist style "equivalent trade" - he managed to make 3 good and interesting movies out of 1 mediocre book, in exchange for having turned 3 beloved books with an insane amount of material to work with into 12 hours of WALKING.
Peter Jackson engaged in Fullmetal Alchemist style "equivalent trade" - he managed to make 3 good and interesting movies out of 1 mediocre book, in exchange for having turned 3 beloved books with an insane amount of material to work with into 12 hours of WALKING.
Is this some trilogy that hasn't come out yet? Because, honestly, I can't think of anything in his work that fits this description.
^Same reason American networks only care about American numbers. The BBC are making it for the UK, with British licence player money. There have been any number of shows that did well here but not there and were still cancelled. Overall, whether or not doctor who is popular only a small amount of the money returned is from doctor who. All BBC output returns £200 million, remove doctor who and it might drop to £190m but they'll have save most of that on the budget of the show anyway.
When it comes down to it it's all guess work around here because although the BBC is only supposed to be concerned with the UK we have no idea how business concerns actually work for them or what it would take for them to give it up.
When it comes down to it it's all guess work around here because although the BBC is only supposed to be concerned with the UK we have no idea how business concerns actually work for them or what it would take for them to give it up.
LOL. Well, you know what they say about opinions, I guess...Peter Jackson engaged in Fullmetal Alchemist style "equivalent trade" - he managed to make 3 good and interesting movies out of 1 mediocre book, in exchange for having turned 3 beloved books with an insane amount of material to work with into 12 hours of WALKING.
Is this some trilogy that hasn't come out yet? Because, honestly, I can't think of anything in his work that fits this description.
Honestly, I personally don't "belove" LOTR, either - but I'll acknowledge that they are beloved by many.
