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‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

It is the equivalent (and equally erroneous) notion that has been applied to Orci's tiff with some fans last year. Neither case represents anything more than a tiny blip, neither will cost either company a cent nor will it lead to fewer people watching future releases of superhero or Trek movies. Dropping an olive into a martini is a greater disturbance of tranquility, proportionally speaking.

A part of me though, really wishes it could actually an actual disturbance.

Comic book fans (and I'm one of them) are pretty much sheep. We'll just keep going to these things--even if we hate them.

Comic book fans being sheep isn't why their won't be a disturbance, its that there aren't enough of them to cause a disturbance even if they get mad.

So effectively they really aren't that relevant in the grand scheme of how successful a comic movie is, and any claims to the contrary are are just wishful thinking.

That's very true.
 
Mazin wrote a response here.

I tend to agree with some of the stuff. But then again I consider comics, like video games, an inherently sexist medium anyways. The characters might be good in words, but the graphical/visual depictions... oh my.

The Seven of Nine effect basically. You have this wonderful character, a child turned into a machine trying to become human again, and you totally ruin it by having her run around in a push up, skin tight catsuit.
 
Hmm, I was checking out the Wikipedia page for the movie and someone listed the actors who'll be playing Nightwing, Robin, and Flash. But I'm not seeing confirmation anywhere else so it's almost certainly fake.
 
Anyway, when did not knowing about something stop people from making jokes or pontificating about it?!

People are free to say stupid things, sure, but other people have just as much freedom to tell them they're full of it.

Oh, I'm not denying yours or anyone else's right to call Goyer out on his comments. Just saying that I don't think that him not knowing much about the issue and him having a laugh aren't mutually incompatible.


I've listened to the part of the podcast where they talk about She-Hulk. There's a big element of goofy riffing going on at that point.

That's what I thought. We're (nearly) all judging his comments without hearing the tone of voice or context he's delivering them in.
 
I have a feeling they just went with "V" to make it look a bit classier than previous versus movies that have been released (Freddy vs Jason, Alien vs Predator, Ecks vs Sever...)
Yep, just like MOS' muted colors and Terrence Malick-y teasers gave that movie the appearance of class and thoughtfulness.
 
"Having a laugh" does not necessarily mean that the speakers are just pretending and actually know better. Often it means they're ridiculing something that they genuinely don't understand or don't care to learn about, and such ridicule can be extremely hurtful.
 
Goyer gets a bit tangled up in his words, but it sounds like he wasn't saying She-Hulk was created as a character for the Hulk to actually have sex with in the comics, but that she was a sexualized female version of the Hulk and that boys who imagined themselves as the Hulk could then imagine themselves having sex with She-Hulk.
 
I'm not saying he shouldn't be criticized, but any criticism should accurately reflect what he said and not be based on a misinterpretation of what he said. Some of the transcripts of what he said have actually been changed, putting words in quotes that he didn't say.
 
Not to be "that guy," but yeah, we know. We've been talking about it for over a hundred posts now. :)

Though it might be a good idea to get this thread retitled, or start up a new one, now that Dawn of Justice is officially in production.
 
What was the funny part?

Hell if I know. I didn't listen to the podcast. I just don't see the harm in someone talking crap or making fun of a comic book character.

I can love the medium while also being fully aware of how inherently silly the whole thing can often be as well.
 
You can download the podcast here. There's a part where they're riffing on various approaches they could take to adapting some comic book characters to the screen. Many of the suggestions are tongue in cheek. The Hulk discussion takes place in that context and starts at 30 minutes and 38 seconds.
 
"Having a laugh" does not necessarily mean that the speakers are just pretending and actually know better. Often it means they're ridiculing something that they genuinely don't understand or don't care to learn about, and such ridicule can be extremely hurtful.

If people joking about a fictional and fantastic jade green superpowered woman is the most hurtful thing that ever happens you, I don't think you have very much to worry about. And if something like that does hurt you, you might want to think about developing a thicker skin.
 
When did we get to a point as a society that being unfair is something to be defended and advocating fairness is something to be chastised? What is so horribly wrong with pointing out the objective fact that David Goyer was incorrect about She-Hulk? There's no dispute about that -- he did not know what he was talking about. It is not wrong to say that. And he doesn't deserve to be defended for being wrong.
 
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