‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

[The Lensman]

All it takes is a few "thees" and "thous" to render English hard to understand? I was reading them as a six year old and could parse it

Forsooth! Thou speakest true!. By the time I was in my twenties, I could speak Shakespearean well enough from reading Thor that a coworker asked me if I did Shakespeare plays.

As always your telepathy skills are amazing. The mind link you have with TBTB at DC and WB is astounding. Must be scary to be inside people's heads like that.

Yeah, it's uncanny isn't it?

DC`s recent films, to me, feel like they captured the essence of the characters. I'm not seeing the disrespect or anything for a buck attitude you describe. The only majoir mistep was the GL film which tried to graft a snarky RDJ/Ryan Reynolds personality onto Hal Jordan. Frankly I'm not a fan of the snarky RDJ version of Tony Stark either. That's not the Iron Man I grew up with. The arrogent musclehead Thor doesn't remind me of the comicbook Thor either, he's more Hercules. I don't know who Elizabeth Olsen is playing, but it ain't Wanda Maximoff. OTOH Evans nails both Cap and Steve Rogers. Which is probably why the Cap outing are my favorites, inspite of a guy named Bucky Barnes being in them, who isn't a teenaged camp mascot.

Pretty much sums up my feelings. The GL movie was DC trying to be like Marvel Studios. DC came off like Justin Hammer to Marvel Studios Tony Stark. A pathetic wannabe. I enjoy RDJ's Stark, but yeah, personality wise he bears no resemblance to the guy I used to collect. You're also right about movie Thor being closer in personality to Herc than the classic version of the character we read. A metric shit ton has been changed, especially in Thor, and if these exact same movies came out from Universal, Fox or Sony, the "fans" would be shitting their pants and posting inane screeds about how these studios are out to make a buck, are disrespecting the characters, or some other equally lame shit. I read and collected the classic versions of these characters back in the day, and these guys on screen? They ain't them. But they are the best screen versions of them so far and I still enjoy the movies, though I'm growing tired of Marvel Studios increasingly bland product.

"Things only count if they go along with what I'm saying" is a crap argument...

Well it's pretty much on the level of "Stories I like = good stories, stories I don't like = bad stories" and "writers I like who write the stories I want written = good writers" and "writers who write stories I don't like or don't want written = bad writers".

 

[dahj]

Harley Quinn is popular because of her first appearances, so comparing her and Mr. Freeze makes no sense at all.

It makes sense in the context of what you were saying, namely:

Eh, all I'll say is that if you don't want the comic version of a character, don't use the character at all.

You insistence that they must use the original version of Harley, but it's ok to change Mr.Freeze is a clear double standard.

That's not even going into how silly it is to insist on "original version" of character, when comic books as a rule change, reinvent and reinterpret characters all the bloody time.

 

[kirk55555]

It makes sense in the context of what you were saying, namely:



You insistence that they must use the original version of Harley, but it's ok to change Mr.Freeze is a clear double standard.

I was talking about the movies changing popular characters for no reason except they don't like the comics and want to do an original character but use the name recongnition. If Zach Snyder or the Suicide Squad people took a character like Ten Eyed Man, King Tut or Polka Dot Man and made them relevant, I'd support them. You change characters that don't work. Harley Quinn has worked in many different forms of media since her creation.

 

[Thestral]

No, what you said was "if you don't want the comic version of a character, don't use the character at all."

That apparently isn't the case for Mr. Freeze - (and for good reason). So clearly you're fine with changing things from the comics if it results in a better outcome.

ETA: Good point about "original version."

And you've no reason to assume they "want to do an original character."

 

[dahj]

I was talking about the movies changing popular characters for no reason except they don't like the comics and want to do an original character but use the name recongnition.

That's clearly not happening with the Suicide Squad movie though, but I liked how you've already judged that the character is both completely changed and completely ruined based on a two minute trailer...

 

[JD]

It makes sense in the context of what you were saying, namely:



You insistence that they must use the original version of Harley, but it's ok to change Mr.Freeze is a clear double standard.

That's not even going into how silly it is to insist on "original version" of character, when comic books as a rule change, reinvent and reinterpret characters all the bloody time.

I doubt there is a single comics character who has existed for more than 20 years who is still the "original version". Even if the character isn't fully rebooted and is supposed to be the same one who first appeared decades ago, there have still been so many changes and retcons that they are basically a totally different character anyways.
Hell, I haven't read them so I don't know all of the facts, but I've read online that in the current comics Peter Parker is now the CEO of his own company and he operates as Spider-Man all over the world. That's a strikes me as being a very different character from the nerdy high school student who got bitten by a radioactive spider.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I doubt there is a single comics character who has existed for more than 20 years who is still the "original version". Even if the character isn't fully rebooted and is supposed to be the same one who first appeared decades ago, there have still been so many changes and retcons that they are basically a totally different character anyways.
Hell, I haven't read them so I don't know all of the facts, but I've read online that in the current comics Peter Parker is now the CEO of his own company and he operates as Spider-Man all over the world. That's a strikes me as being a very different character from the nerdy high school student who got bitten by a radioactive spider.

Yeah, I was first introduced to Batman via the 60s TV show. He's gone through quite a few changes since then and more than a few before that. What remains the same is he's Bruce Wayne,a man who lost his parents to violence as a child and dedicates his life to fight crime because of this. He does this by training his mind and body to perfection and developing all sorts of gadgets. That's Batman. Even if he's psycho ninja, Sherlock in a cape and cowl or camp crusader that doesn't change.

 

[JD]

Yeah, and as long as those elements are there, to me it's Batman.

 

[kirk55555]

I doubt there is a single comics character who has existed for more than 20 years who is still the "original version". Even if the character isn't fully rebooted and is supposed to be the same one who first appeared decades ago, there have still been so many changes and retcons that they are basically a totally different character anyways.
Hell, I haven't read them so I don't know all of the facts, but I've read online that in the current comics Peter Parker is now the CEO of his own company and he operates as Spider-Man all over the world. That's a strikes me as being a very different character from the nerdy high school student who got bitten by a radioactive spider.

He's still the same person personality wise, though. Situations change, but he's the same Peter with the same morals, sense of humor, occasional times self-pity, etc. He didn't become Batman or Tony Stark when he got a company, he's just Peter Parker who happens to own a big company. The character is the same, he's just in a different situation.

Unlike harley, who went from a goofy, nutty (but not completely out of her mind) villain to some psycho with voices in her head. They changed the character at the core. Its like making Batman into a poor guy whose parents are still alive and only dresses up as a bat to fight crime because he can steal stuff from crime scenes when no one is looking and not take the blame.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Unlike harley, who went from a goofy, nutty (but not completely out of her mind) villain to some psycho with voices in her head.

You've just describes the Joker, who can be may different brands of crazy and criminal. Gosh oh golly which Joker is real????

 

[kirk55555]

You've just describes the Joker, who can be may different brands of crazy and criminal. Gosh oh golly which Joker is real????

Probably not the one with the shitty tattoo's. Or the philosopher with the mouth scars. The one who looks like Jack Nicholson was pretty decent. The one with the mustache worked in his show, although he was a bit toothless even for the goofy comics of the era. The one that's also Luke Skywalker is THE Joker, and he's very similar to the best of the comics. Except for the first two, all those other Jokers share important similarities even with their differences, and all work as interpretations because they don't lose the core of the character.

Its like how the Wonder Woman who lost her powers and converted to Christianity and then went totally crazy is a character that was written, but is considered by probably no one to be any kind of legitimate Wonder Woman when it comes to the legacy of the character. In the big comic companies, you can read a huge amount of stories that have variations of the same characters. The best are the ones that share the same core elements, the others are generally terrible stories (usually set in another world) that are quickly forgotten by most people (unless the company, like modern DC, is run by idiots, then the horrible characters stick around for a while, but still don't effect the real character). In ten years, the New 52 Harley will probably be a bad memory, and the original (or something very, very close) will probably be the mainstream one again. That's because Paul Dini's Harley is the iconic one, that gets defaulted to once bad writers/editors run the cheap rip offs as far into the dirt as they can.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Probably not the one with the shitty tattoo's. Or the philosopher with the mouth scars. The one who looks like Jack Nicholson was pretty decent. The one with the mustache worked in his show, although he was a bit toothless even for the goofy comics of the era. The one that's also Luke Skywalker is THE Joker, and he's very similar to the best of the comics. Except for the first two, all those other Jokers share important similarities even with their differences, and all work as interpretations because they don't lose the core of the character.

Rhetorical question.

Its like how the Wonder Woman who lost her powers and converted to Christianity and then went totally crazy is a character that was written, but is considered by probably no one to be any kind of legitimate Wonder Woman when it comes to the legacy of the character

I've no idea what this refers to. Must have missed something.

In the big comic companies, you can read a huge amount of stories that have variations of the same characters. The best are the ones that share the same core elements, the others are generally terrible stories (usually set in another world) that are quickly forgotten by most people (unless the company, like modern DC, is run by idiots, then the horrible characters stick around for a while, but still don't effect the real character). In ten years, the New 52 Harley will probably be a bad memory, and the original (or something very, very close) will probably be the mainstream one again. That's because Paul Dini's Harley is the iconic one, that gets defaulted to once bad writers/editors run the cheap rip offs as far into the dirt as they can.

What are Harley's core elements?

 

[JD]

She was the Joker's pysciatrist who fell in love with him, went crazy and joined forces with him.

In ten years, the New 52 Harley will probably be a bad memory, and the original (or something very, very close) will probably be the mainstream one again. That's because Paul Dini's Harley is the iconic one, that gets defaulted to once bad writers/editors run the cheap rip offs as far into the dirt as they can.

No, because in 10 years either we'll still have the current versions of the character, or they'll have done another revamp of the characters and they will probably be different from both the New 52 and the old versions.
Adam West's Batman is pretty iconic, but the main comics moved on from that version and never went back.
As for Harley, the new version doesn't seem to have had any effect on her popularity, so I don't see them stepping away from it any time soon. Hell even the new LEGO sets have updated their Harley mini figure to have her in her Suicide Squad costume. Your tastes don't represent everybody's, so just because you don't like something doesn't mean that it's unpopular.

 

[Nerys Myk]

She was the Joker's pysciatrist who fell in love with him, went crazy and joined forces with him.

Works for me.

 

[kirk55555]

I've no idea what this refers to. Must have missed something.

Its a reference to a horrible versiopn of Wonder Woman in an elseworlds comic called "JLA: Act of God".

What are Harley's core elements?

She's a former psychologist who fell for Joker, went a bit nuts and became his fangirl/wannabe girlfriend. She dresses like a jester, does basically anything Joker says, acts childish a lot of the time but can use her former psychology training and just generally be clever when the situation calls for it, likes to commit crimes with themed gimmicks like Giant mallets, and doesn't take much seriously.

To go into a bit of detail comparing her to New 52/movie Harley, core Harley isn't so nuts that she can't function as a normal person when she needs to, she isn't nearly as crazy as Joker. She's crazy about him and because of him, but she's not as nuts (no voices in her head) and, when not specifically following his directions, she's more chaotic when it comes to crime then violent. For example, Joker will throw acid in a guard's face for laughs. Harley would just knock the guard out with her mallet. I'm not saying she hasn't killed (although I'm certain Paul Dini never wrote a comic where she outright killed someone), but she's not a casual killer. She's in crime to be with her "puddin", and for laughs. Definitely not sane, but not a psychotic killer.

Your tastes don't represent everybody's, so just because you don't like something doesn't mean that it's unpopular.

People like Michael bay Transformers movies, that doesn't mean he hasn't done a horrible version of the Transformers. As for the other stuff, new 52 Harley is used in things like Legos because that's what DC wants companies to promote, not because its particularly popular.

 

[Nerys Myk]

As for the other stuff, new 52 Harley is used in things like Legos because that's what DC wants companies to promote, not because its particularly popular.

More mind reading,

Most of the merch I see still uses Garcia-Lopez art from the 80s.

 

[kirk55555]

More mind reading,

Most of the merch I see still uses Garcia-Lopez art from the 80s.

Its not mind reading. DC has a movie and comics to promote, they're going to make the lesser known characters as close to the modern stuff as possible. Characters like Superman might get to keep a classic look just because its more iconic then the stupid newer stuff and its more recognizable, but they want a ten year old to go buy a comic with the character he saw in the game on it (and then get horrified when the character has the body count of the Punisher, but that's modern DC comics for you).

 

[Nerys Myk]

Its not mind reading. DC has a movie and comics to promote, they're going to make the lesser known characters as close to the modern stuff as possible. Characters like Superman might get to keep a classic look just because its more iconic then the stupid newer stuff and its more recognizable, but they want a ten year old to go buy a comic with the character he saw in the game on it (and then get horrified when the character has the body count of the Punisher, but that's modern DC comics for you).

They'll use the movie versions on the merch that ties into the movies (and will disappear soon afterwards), mostly everything else is the standard images from the 80s. I don't think I've seen any new 52 ( or even pre 52) versions used on merchandise.

10 year olds are tougher than you think and probably don't read comics. They're more likely to just play the game. Let's not pretend that Marvel doesn't have the same content problems. Their books aren't geared for some kid who watches the Marvel films. I pity the parent who thinks Daredevil will be on the same level as an Avengers film and sets little Tommy in front the tube for a DD marathon

 

[eyeresist]

Weird to see the character not wearing a suit of some sort.

Just google "leto joker suit" and you'll see Leto in a couple of different suits.

Whatever "Zach Snyder DC" does I think it's safe to say Jason Momoa's Aquaman will stop the Superfriends jokes for most people.

The angle they seem to be going for is Aquaman = Poseidon, which I think is wise.

Uh...no? I'll talk about what I want, and that's a big issue with DC. But, I suppose as long as its the opposite of what Marvel is doing, a lot of people will love to see mass murder in the DC movies. Anything to not be like the actually good superhero movies.

Your endless rant has gotten boring. Everyone understood your points many pages ago: you like what you like, and you don't like what you don't like. More words ≠ more persuasive.

 

[Samurai8472]

New York Premiere

http://www.superherohype.com/news/3...-of-justice-new-york-premiere-photos#/slide/1


Most of the actors from other DC shows showed up as well like the "Gotham" actors






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