‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

[M'rk son of Mogh]

and also had the kids making their Bats and Supes dolls fight.

Were the kids mimicking the fight of the movies, having Batman ask if Superman bleeds, then having Superman say that if he wanted it, Batman would be dead already?
All while the mom's look in shocked horror at what their innocent children are saying during playtime.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Were the kids mimicking the fight of the movies, having Batman ask if Superman bleeds, then having Superman say that if he wanted it, Batman would be dead already?
All while the mom's look in shocked horror at what their innocent children are saying during playtime.

I said worse when playing with action figures as a kid.

 

[Ovation]

The things my US Army men said to their German enemies when I was nine was a fair sight scarier than that.

 

[marillion]

Were the kids mimicking the fight of the movies, having Batman ask if Superman bleeds, then having Superman say that if he wanted it, Batman would be dead already?
All while the mom's look in shocked horror at what their innocent children are saying during playtime.

Thank you for the audible LOL I just shared with my office mates. Tip of the hat to you for that one!

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

I said worse when playing with action figures as a kid.

Oh, me as well.
But my He-Man, Lion-O, Luke Skywalker and Superman action figures stayed in character and would never have said anything like what the movie is portraying as dialogue from the good guys.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not sure I knew what "in character" meant at that age Superman and Batman were "good guys," was about it. Not cursing was the only thing characterise that was a rule

 

[davejames]

I'm not sure how those lines are out of character myself. Batman makes all kinds of scary pronouncements like that in the comics these days, and Superman is only trying to make clear that he's not the villain Batman thinks he is who could easily use his powers to kill.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Saying you are capable of murder isn't the way you tell someone you're not a villain.

 

[dahj]

^^
So when Iron Man says "Stay down, final warning" in the latest CW trailer he's also a murderous villain?

 

[davejames]

Saying you are capable of murder isn't the way you tell someone you're not a villain.

That's not even remotely what he seems to be implying with that. It's not delivered as some kind of threat (as in "you better be careful or I really will kill you"), but simply to point out that's he's not someone who has a desire to use his powers to hurt and kill people.

 

[kirk55555]

I'm not sure how those lines are out of character myself. Batman makes all kinds of scary pronouncements like that in the comics these days, and Superman is only trying to make clear that he's not the villain Batman thinks he is who could easily use his powers to kill.

I could never see a normal version of Batman making a statement like "Even if there is only a 1% chance he's dangerous, we must treat it as a certainty". He's an intense guy, but he's not stupid and he's not reactionary unless he needs to be. Outside of Frank Miller's "Goddamn" Batman, its much more likely that Batman would wait and watch to see how Superman acts outside of being in a battle for both his own life and the entire planet. Batman likes planning and taking his time when he can, he's not going to launch a preemptive strike on Superman unless Superman makes himself an obvious threat. That would require something more than unintentional property damage (even if I think that Superman is more responsible for the damage then many MoS fans try to claim, he still didn't try to do it and Zod played a big part in the destruction and death).

Also, a normal Superman wouldn't casually talk about killing someone like that, I don't care about the situation. But, I suppose a Superman who actually needs to "learn" that killing is wrong (god, Snyder couldn't understand the idea of Superman less if he actively tried to misunderstand) might consider death threats fine.

I'm interested in Batman v Superman, and I've grown to like MoS, but I can't deny how bad Snyder & Co have been with the characters, especially the dialog.

 

[theenglish]

The trailers may be intense, but I really haven't heard anything out of character. Superman seems to be boyscout Supes and Batman seems to be Batman. To me this seems like the traditional "fight before they're friends" story that comics have used for decades.

For the record, I actually liked the portrayal and inner turmoil of Clark/Kal in MoS. I thought it was really one of the strengths of the movie. The big thing left out of the movie for me, was Pa Kent helping his son to use his powers for good and to use them responsibly. I really wasn't fond of the way the character was written, even though there were some truly emotional moments with Kevin Costner. I wish there had been a scene where Pa Kent gave his son the speech about how the world needs a good man with Super abilities (even though he needs to protect his identity). A scene like that would have made a nice transition between the conflicted father at the beginning and the sacrifice he makes toward the end.

EDIT: Where does Superman talk about killing Batman?

 

[urbandefault]

The trailers may be intense, but I really haven't heard anything out of character. Superman seems to be boyscout Supes and Batman seems to be Batman. To me this seems like the traditional "fight before they're friends" story that comics have used for decades.

For the record, I actually liked the portrayal and inner turmoil of Clark/Kal in MoS. I thought it was really one of the strengths of the movie. The big thing left out of the movie for me, was Pa Kent helping his son to use his powers for good and to use them responsibly. I really wasn't fond of the way the character was written, even though there were some truly emotional moments with Kevin Costner. I wish there had been a scene where Pa Kent gave his son the speech about how the world needs a good man with Super abilities (even though he needs to protect his identity). A scene like that would have made a nice transition between the conflicted father at the beginning and the sacrifice he makes toward the end.

He does get that speech from Martha in BvS, even if she does qualify it with the "you don't owe this planet anything." She's giving him a way out that she knows he won't take. How does she know? Because he's the man she raised him to be, and because he's Superman.

 

[kirk55555]

The trailers may be intense, but I really haven't heard anything out of character. Superman seems to be boyscout Supes and Batman seems to be Batman. To me this seems like the traditional "fight before they're friends" story that comics have used for decades.

I'd like to see the boy scout merit badges for taking petty revenge on a-holes (like the truck incident from MoS), and snapping peoples necks

He does get that speech from Martha in BvS, even if she does qualify it with the "you don't owe this planet anything." She's giving him a way out that she knows he won't take. How does she know? Because he's the man she raised him to be, and because he's Superman.

Except Johnathon Kent raised Clark to be a man who walks away and doesn't help people. That was basically Johnathon Kent's entire reason to exist, and was basically the message of every scene he was a part of in Man of Steel. Between that and Martha's "You don't owe the world anything", the MoS Kent's are officially the worst interpretation of Superman's Earth parents in the history of the character.
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[urbandefault]

Except Johnathon Kent raised Clark to be a man who walks away and doesn't help people. That was basically Johnathon Kent's entire reason to exist, and was basically the message of every scene he was a part of in Man of Steel. Between that and Martha's "You don't owe the world anything", the MoS Kent's are officially the worst interpretation of Superman's Earth parents in the history of the character.

It's "Jonathan." Seriously, it's only been in print for several decades.

I don't see the results of their parenting the same way. You're free to disagree, as you obviously do.

 

[kirk55555]

It's "Jonathan." Seriously, it's only been in print for several decades.

I don't see the results of their parenting the same way. You're free to disagree, as you obviously do.

He doesn't deserve to be called "Jonathon" Kent, since he's not even remotely like the character. That is totally why I spelled it "Johnathon", and not because I screwed up the spelling

 

[urbandefault]

He doesn't deserve to be called "Jonathon" Kent, since he's not even remotely like the character. That is totally why I spelled it "Johnathon", and not because I screwed up the spelling

It's "Jonathan."

 

[kirk55555]

It's "Jonathan."

 

[davejames]

Except Johnathon Kent raised Clark to be a man who walks away and doesn't help people. That was basically Johnathon Kent's entire reason to exist, and was basically the message of every scene he was a part of in Man of Steel. Between that and Martha's "You don't owe the world anything", the MoS Kent's are officially the worst interpretation of Superman's Earth parents in the history of the character.
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I'd say that's a major oversimplification. Jonathan's main concern seemed to be the world wasn't ready for someone with such godlike powers, and of him being hunted down or captured by the government once they learned what he could do. Those are the only reasons he wanted Clark to keep his powers secret-- not because he somehow didn't care about helping people.

And he even admitted that he felt Clark eventually would go on to do great things and "change the world." He just seemed to think it was best for him to wait til he was older and more prepared.

Maybe these Kents aren't as carefree as previous versions have been, but in a more realistic world it only makes sense that they'd be a lot more protective and concerned about their son and what might happen once the world learned about him.

 

[kirk55555]

Its freaking Superman. He's an alien who flies around and can lift semi trucks. "Realistic" shouldn't be something associated with the character, at least not in the way you mean. But, even if you must do "realistic", how many people are going to tell their kid that he should have let children die? The Kent's are usually portrayed as protective, but supportive of Clark saving people even at a young age. They want him to be careful, but know it would be wrong to tell him to not save people, even at the cost of his secret identity or life. I'd say this attitude covers the Smallville Kent's, the Superman: TAS Kent's, and the comics version from when John Byrne had them be alive into Clark's adulthood until at least the New 52 reboot.

Snyder's Kent's are just plain horrible. Being a nutjob who tells your kid to let children, and later yourself, die doesn't make Snyder's Jonathan Kent realistic. It makes him a asshole, and it makes the MoS writers poor writers (although the writing on MoS is bad for a bunch of other reasons, too). Contrary to popular belief, realistic people can be nice and supportive. Making someone selfish or just a dick doesn't really make them "realistic", although both Snyder and Nolan before him thought it did.