‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’
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What is it that's so horribly off about how they are handeling the Squad in the movie? I was under the impression that the whole idea was just a bunch of bad guys who are sent off on dangerous with the promise of a reduced sentence if successful often with a threat of death if they go rogue, and so far that appears to be what the movie is about. Most of the other reactions to the trailers I've seen have been pretty positive.
To each their own, but personally after countless superhero movies I'm ready now for ones that are willing to be a bit risky and different, and not simply as "faithful to the comic" as they can possibly be.
Yeah, I can be a bit hyperbolic, and of course I don't think the Flash thing would ever happen (although I legitimately wonder if any hero will be allowed to not kill or be super broody). But, I do believe its what Snyder thinks about. He likes violence, grimness and style over substance, basically every movie he's made follows that. I think WB will hold him back a bit (especially because Watchmen didn't do well and I think I read that Man of Steel was a bit of a studio disappointment financially), but
As someone who has read all of THE Suicide Squad run (by John Orstrander, who basically made the suicide squad into what it is), the movie is beyond painful (also extremely painful as a fan of harley Quinn, but that's so big its a whole seperate issue). None of the characters are remotely like the comic versions (and no, I'm not talking about stuff like Will Smith playing Deadshot), the tone is wrong, it is basically just the name and barebones premise turned into a mostly unrecognizable movie. Its farther from the actual Suicide Squad then the movies we used to get back when superhero movies were treated like garbage (I'm talking 70s made for TV movie Captain America type of stuff). I could go on (Enchantress and Harley Quinn alone almost make me completely lose my mind, not to mention the worst live action Joker ever), but I think I've made my position clear.
Marvel movies aren't just faithful to the comic, they're extremely well written films (generally speaking) with great casts/characters made by talented people. Basically, they are everything DC movies aren't. If you want crappy superhero movies that don't care about the comic, go grab a time machine and head back to the pre-Blade or pre-Iron-Man days. There is a new standard, people learned that taking from the comics makes the movies better, especially when the writers aren't idiots. Also, I'd point out that DC's Supergirl show is more bland, formulaic and family friendly then anything Marvel has ever done, yet people seem to like it
You absolutely have. Many times over, in many threads, for many months. How necessary is it to keep beating the horse?
I don't know about anyone else, but I think I'll reserve judgment until I see the movie.
Until then ...
Yeah brother!
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Until then ...
Yeah brother!
</Hulk Hogan>
How can anyone say that Leto is 'the worst live action Joker ever' when we've seen and heard seconds of his performance?
I don't really like the metal teeth and tattoos myself but I remember being underwhelmed at the casting of Heath Ledger too. And that worked out rather well.
I don't really like the metal teeth and tattoos myself but I remember being underwhelmed at the casting of Heath Ledger too. And that worked out rather well.
You suppose wrong. It's about you constantly banging out the same beat on the same drum.Uh...no? I'll talk about what I want, and that's a big issue with DC. But, I suppose as long as its the opposite of what Marvel is doing, a lot of people will love to see mass murder in the DC movies. Anything to not be like the actually good superhero movies. Of course, at PG-13 DC movies can't get the massively bloody deaths that Snyder probably wants, but after Deadpool, who knows. An R-Rated Flash where his suit starts out white, but becomes red because of the blood stains of his victims is probably something Snyder sees in his dreamsYou know Snyder wants more death, its probably only WB keeping the ratings to PG-13 that will stop the DC movies from having a higher body count then Jason Voorhees.
Side note: The spell check in my web browser knows how to spell Voorhees
The look they decided to go for is a little strange, but it's not enough to ruin the character for me, I'm more interested in Leto's performance. Characters change looks in the comics all the time, and I don't see where the looks for the Joker or Harley are really any different than the times they've been changed in the comics. I know it might no be the best example given the reaction, but I don't see where Harley's movie look is that drastically different than the change from her original costume to her New 52 look, or even from that look to her current look. They also gave her a couple of drastically different looks for the Arkham games and people love those. I will admit that this probably the most drastically different look we've gotten for the Joker though.
About your hypothesis,
Superman isn't a clone, I believe that Lex is holding Lois, probably threatening her life in order to get Superman to do what he is instructing him. The trailer shows Lex with Lois, the whole small minds part. That's my theory, could be wrong.
I'm a huge Harley fan and I love what we've seen of her in the trailers.
I admit I always found her pretty annoying on BTAS (despite loving her look), but what we've seen of this Harley looks about a thousand times more interesting to me. She actually comes across as genuinely twisted and kooky and dangerous, instead of just adorably wacky.
Well, the New 52 costume and character change to Harley made her a completely different, very crappy character. In the comics, she has nothing in common with the character Paul Dini created except for the name and backstory. The Arkham game version had lame costumes, but writing wise was the same Harley, so the costumes weren't a big deal. Suicide Squad is the same way. I'd get over the horrible redesign, if she seemed anything like the original Harley Quinn. Instead, she's some completely psychotic nightmare (oh god those scenes of harley in her cell were painful, as was the stealing the purse scene). Harley isn't the Joker. She's definitely kooky and out of her mind. She's still a villain and really into her gimmick, but she can do other things. She can be subtle, and is actually not as dumb as she pretends to be. The movie's Harley looks like she starts her craziness at 11 and goes from there.
As for Joker, I dislike Heath Ledger's Joker as well, but at least he tried. It wasn't the real Joker in anything but name and maybe a little inspiration in his costume, he didn't have the personality and he had way too much of a philosophy to be Joker, but you could tell they put effort into the character. Leto looks like someone like Snyder designed him as a FU to Joker fans, and his scenes in the trailer are less "Jokerish" then Ledger.
So, they should completely ignore the reasons the character became popular, to play to the people who never liked her? This isn't the the bad old days, where Captain America was some brainless yahoo in a van or the Incredible hulk never fights a supervillain. Superhero media has learned to embrace the source of their characters, not act like they're better than the comics. At least, the good comic book movies learned this. WB/Snyder just think that "Uh, if it worked for Nolan, then EVERYTHING MUST BE DAAAARK, and ignore the comics, because they're stupid". It might make the people who dislike marvel happy, but it doesn't make it good. Devolving superhero cinema to the days where you took as little inspiration from the comics as possible is a terrible idea.
I'm seeing the film on Monday. Can't wait.
We get it.
Can you wait another week, see BvS, and then do the spitstorm?
You'd have to wait much longer for Suicide Squad to actually come out before continuing to bash it. I don't expect you to wait that long, so please. Continue.
Guuuuh, I hope not. I know Batman was included in the movie because he is more popular than Superm... sorry, it served the purpose of the story, but they better make that plot point air tight. Lex Jr. is telling him to KILL Batman. Why would he want that?
Unless our older Batman killed Lex Sr.!
Unless our older Batman killed Lex Sr.!
