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The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

Grade the movie...

  • Excellent

    Votes: 711 62.9%

  • Above Average

    Votes: 213 18.8%

  • Average

    Votes: 84 7.4%

  • Below Average

    Votes: 46 4.1%

  • Poor

    Votes: 77 6.8%
  • Total voters
    1,131
jazzstick said:
Yes god forbid anybody shouldn't agree with what you and everybody else thinks!! That would be too dangerous! I'm entitled to my point of view too!
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You can be critical of this movie to your heart's content. And for a few posters here, that's all their hearts are capable of.

But there's a difference between constructive criticism of the movie itself and bashing everyone who doesn't share your opinions.
 
My first experience with Star Trek was watching reruns of TOS back in the late '70s when I was a young teenager. Since then, I have devoured every Star Trek show, movie, and book that I could get my hands on, while enjoying about 90% of it.
I have watched this movie, and I voted "Excellent" on this Poll here. To those who believe that this movie is crap, well you are entitled to your opinions, this is still a free country. You are free to choose to think whatever you want to think or feel about Star Trek XI. However, the vast majority, according to his poll, really enjoy Star Trek XI. We like it. What I don't like, is that according to some of the detractors of Star XI, what that means if we do like this movie; then we are fans who want "a movie for those who don't want to think and have a 15 second attention span!" or that we are Star Trek fans who like a movie that we have become "Kool-aid drinkers."
Now of course these naysayers are free to insult people like myself if they want to do so. However, I have found over these last 44 years of life, that when someone insults a person on the opposing side of a disagreement, that they have done nothing but belittle their own point of view while at the same time making oneself look bad, instead of having the intended effect of making the person insulted look bad.
 
I mean ... seriously are you here who call this movie good actually Trek fans??? This is an average typical hollywood flick at best if there was never a Star Trek series.

JJ and Paramount have disgraced all that has come before. Gene and Majel are rolling in their graves.
 
Tom Servo said:
So I figure I will write a quick review of the film. I saw it again today, and from the moment the Paramount stars enter the screen to the dedication at the end, this film was pure joy to me. The best thing to see was how energetic the cast and production crew of this film was. You could tell they had fun making this film. A few points:

-Some thought Ben Cross was wooden as Sarek, I thought he was excellent. The scene were he tells Spock that the reason he married his mother was because he loved her was very touching.

- The opening sequence was just incredible to watch, from the acting (kudos to Chris Helmsworth and Jennifer Morrison) to the direction of the battle sequences and the music played over the whole thing.

- I LOVE LOVE LOVE the sound design in this whole movie. The weapons feel and sound like destructive devices, and the way that they just tear through the ships are astounding. You feel the power of these devices as they go off.

- The sequence when the ship warps into Vulcan space and flies into the remains of the battle group is probably my favorite sequence of the film. The sheer chaos of it all is astounding. The voices overlapping each other yelling orders and the sound of the engines trying to slow down and maneuver around the debris is just incredible. And it was actually quite sad because only moments before, these ships were filled with the classmates of the Enterprise crew who was just at the academy. I really haven't been that saddened by a scene in Trek for a long time, because just minutes before you saw all these bright eyed kids ready to go explore the galaxy, and now they had met their fate in the worst way possible, in the coldness of space.

-The whole cast was just terrific, and the casting was just spot on. I loved Spock especially though, because through the whole thing, even though he was emotionless you could just tell he had a little smile underneath it all until the events at Vulcan.

- The Kobyashi Maru scene was PRICELESS. The swagger Kirk has as he orders everyone around, and how the rest of the crew, and the testers, are like WTF is he doing. I especially loved when they torpedoed the Klingons, Kirk making the gun with his finger and going PEW PEW PEW! That and the apple he was eating was a nice tough to TWOK.

I guess I will write more later, but I just can't get over how great that movie was. The only bad thing was that it went by so fast, and now we have to wait another two years for the sequel.
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You know I really liked the Kobyashi Maru too! I think its the only part of the movie I like, but didn't you notice the lack of anything meaningful or intelligent about this movie? It really just seemed like 2 hours of eye candy and no soul! It did'nt give you anything substancal to really think about!
 
mysticpain said:
I mean ... seriously are you here who call this movie good actually Trek fans???
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I own all of the series and movies on DVD.

I've countless Star Trek books and trinkets.

My license plate on my car says "1701."

So, yeah, I'm a Trek fan and I loved this movie. It's not perfect, it diverges in many ways, but it's a fun movie to sit and enjoy and it will bring new life into the franchise and fandom as people discover what Trek is really about.

Unless they visit here and read posts like yours and determine that what they heard about Trek's fandom was "right all along."

It's sad to say, but this is more the kind of movie many audience memebers want and the best movie to bring in people "off the street" who're unfamilliar with the mythos.

This movie can rope them in, the next one can make them think.
 
Trekker4747 said:
mysticpain said:
I mean ... seriously are you here who call this movie good actually Trek fans???
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I own all of the series and movies on DVD.

I've countless Star Trek books and trinkets.

My license plate on my car says "1701."

So, yeah, I'm a Trek fan and I loved this movie. It's not perfect, it diverges in many ways, but it's a fun movie to sit and enjoy and it will bring new life into the franchise and fandom as people discover what Trek is really about.

Unless they visit here and read posts like yours and determine that what they heard about Trek's fandom was "right all along."

It's sad to say, but this is more the kind of movie many audience memebers want and the best movie to bring in people "off the street" who're unfamilliar with the mythos.

This movie can rope them in, the next one can make them think.
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Yes and dumb it down and rope them in!
 
mysticpain said:
I mean ... seriously are you here who call this movie good actually Trek fans??? This is an average typical hollywood flick at best if there was never a Star Trek series.

JJ and Paramount have disgraced all that has come before. Gene and Majel are rolling in their graves.
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No, no they're not, and that's all your opinion.
I am a Star Trek fan. If I'm not, you may now quote the official guidelines that I must follow to be a fan.


J.
 
mysticpain said:
I mean ... seriously are you here who call this movie good actually Trek fans??? This is an average typical hollywood flick at best if there was never a Star Trek series.
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It was an entertaining flick. I'll give it that, despite its flaws -- weak story being the primary one. Loved Star Trek (TOS) when I was a kid, liked TNG for the most part (although I'll admit, it hasn't aged as well as TOS IMO)...not much of a fan of the other series, though.

P.S. I'll also confess to enjoying *gasp* Lost in Space when I was a kid, especially the first season.
 
Captain Robert April said:
He made the accusation. I want a definition of terms.
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Well, bub, let me explain to you just why you are not a real Star Trek fan. In your mind, anything that wasn't produced by Gene motherfucking Roddenberry himself is not Star Trek. You walked into (likely paid for) a movie, that you previously said you utterly refused to go watch, with the sole intention of picking it apart, and analyzing just how your childhood is being anally pummelled. You berate others for enjoying a movie they (and the vast, vast majority of people) found to be fun, exciting, and reinvigorating; and you have the pompous arrogance to insult others in this forum, and call them "Kool-Aid drinkers." You think and act as if you're some sort god among men. You act like you're morally and intellectually superior to the other people in the world. You have the audacity to DEMAND that a multi-billion dollar production studio give you YOUR version of some long forgotten, discarded science-fiction franchise because you somehow have the idea in your head that you're owed something by these people. I hate to burst your bubble, Sparky, but you're a nobody; and no one even knows you exist.

You whine about continuity violations, yet you completely overlook the dozens upon dozens of violations committed by your precious TOS itself. Why? Is it because Gene motherfucking Roddenberry can do no wrong? What makes that hack so special?

You embody all of the worst stereotypes of the classic Star Trek fan (which I won't get into here because I can't actually speak my mind in this forum without getting warned... for telling the truth).

At the end of the day, you're threatened by change. You fear this new Star Trek because you realize that all you have (and all you've likely ever had) in life is YOUR pathetic version of Star Trek. You feel so beaten down by life that your version of Trek was your only escape, and now the "normal people" are intruding on your private sanctuary.

You want to preserve your worthless version of Star Trek, and the franchise to die a slow and painful death rather than have it continue on. Hey, what does it matter to you. Afterall, all that other stuff was never really Star Trek anyway, right?

Thankfully, I can report that a few raped childhoods aside (sad smiley face. :( ), all the original DVDs are still on the shelf, and the Star Trek franchise is once again alive and well, with much more to come!! :D
 
James Bond said:
Captain Robert April said:
He made the accusation. I want a definition of terms.
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Well, bub, let me explain to you just why you are not a real Star Trek fan. In your mind, anything that wasn't produced by Gene motherfucking Roddenberry himself is not Star Trek. You walked into (likely paid for) a movie, that you previously said you utterly refused to go watch, with the sole intention of picking it apart, and analyzing just how your childhood is being anally pummelled. You berate others for enjoying a movie they (and the vast, vast majority of people) found to be fun, exciting, and reinvigorating; and you have the pompous arrogance to insult others in this forum, and call them "Kool-Aid drinkers." You think and act as if you're some sort god among men. You act like you're morally and intellectually superior to the other people in the world. You have the audacity to DEMAND that a multi-billion dollar production studio give you YOUR version of some long forgotten, discarded science-fiction franchise because you somehow have the idea in your head that you're owed something by these people. I hate to burst your bubble, Sparky, but you're a nobody; and no one even knows you exist.

You whine about continuity violations, yet you completely overlook the dozens upon dozens of violations committed by your precious TOS itself. Why? Is it because Gene motherfucking Roddenberry can do no wrong? What makes that hack so special?

You embody all of the worst stereotypes of the classic Star Trek fan (which I won't get into here because I can't actually speak my mind in this forum without getting warned... for telling the truth).

At the end of the day, you're threatened by change. You fear this new Star Trek because you realize that all you have (and all you've likely ever had) in life is YOUR pathetic version of Star Trek. You feel so beaten down by life that your version of Trek was your only escape, and now the "normal people" are intruding on your private sanctuary.

You want to preserve your worthless version of Star Trek, and the franchise to die a slow and painful death rather than have it continue on. Hey, what does it matter to you. Afterall, all that other stuff was never really Star Trek anyway, right?

Thankfully, I can report that a few raped childhoods aside (sad smiley face. :( ), all the original DVDs are still on the shelf, and the Star Trek franchise is once again alive and well, with much more to come!! :D
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I wouldn't mind a different take on Star Trek I just wished it was as intelligent and well written as the original. Can you guys please tell me what about this movie made you think, because I just can't find it.
 
jazzstick said:
Tom Servo said:
So I figure I will write a quick review of the film. I saw it again today, and from the moment the Paramount stars enter the screen to the dedication at the end, this film was pure joy to me. The best thing to see was how energetic the cast and production crew of this film was. You could tell they had fun making this film. A few points:

-Some thought Ben Cross was wooden as Sarek, I thought he was excellent. The scene were he tells Spock that the reason he married his mother was because he loved her was very touching.

- The opening sequence was just incredible to watch, from the acting (kudos to Chris Helmsworth and Jennifer Morrison) to the direction of the battle sequences and the music played over the whole thing.

- I LOVE LOVE LOVE the sound design in this whole movie. The weapons feel and sound like destructive devices, and the way that they just tear through the ships are astounding. You feel the power of these devices as they go off.

- The sequence when the ship warps into Vulcan space and flies into the remains of the battle group is probably my favorite sequence of the film. The sheer chaos of it all is astounding. The voices overlapping each other yelling orders and the sound of the engines trying to slow down and maneuver around the debris is just incredible. And it was actually quite sad because only moments before, these ships were filled with the classmates of the Enterprise crew who was just at the academy. I really haven't been that saddened by a scene in Trek for a long time, because just minutes before you saw all these bright eyed kids ready to go explore the galaxy, and now they had met their fate in the worst way possible, in the coldness of space.

-The whole cast was just terrific, and the casting was just spot on. I loved Spock especially though, because through the whole thing, even though he was emotionless you could just tell he had a little smile underneath it all until the events at Vulcan.

- The Kobyashi Maru scene was PRICELESS. The swagger Kirk has as he orders everyone around, and how the rest of the crew, and the testers, are like WTF is he doing. I especially loved when they torpedoed the Klingons, Kirk making the gun with his finger and going PEW PEW PEW! That and the apple he was eating was a nice tough to TWOK.

I guess I will write more later, but I just can't get over how great that movie was. The only bad thing was that it went by so fast, and now we have to wait another two years for the sequel.
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You know I really liked the Kobyashi Maru too! I think its the only part of the movie I like, but didn't you notice the lack of anything meaningful or intelligent about this movie? It really just seemed like 2 hours of eye candy and no soul! It did'nt give you anything substancal to really think about!
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It gave me a lot to think about, in the same sense that TWOK game me something to think about. It was NOT two hours of eye candy, it was an experience. Transformers, while a fun film, that was eye candy. This was so much more though. The scenes when Kirk is born and his father only gets to hear his cries for a few seconds was very very moving, the same with the scene of Spock and his father reflecting on his mother at the transporter pad. "I married your mother because I loved her", to me was one of the best lines of the film.

To me, while intelligent Trek is good trek, emotional Trek is GREAT Trek. Honestly, was "The Inner Light" known because it's such an intelligent episode? No, it's because it's so emotional. There were so many scenes in this film FILLED with emotion, and if they had used lesser actors in this film, they would have come of as goofy. But with the high quality acting in this film, you felt sadness and fear for them.

Ill say it again, but one of the saddest scenes in the film for me is seeing the fleet destroyed at Vulcan. I mean only a few minutes before you saw all these cadets all excited to go. The scene where Uhura is assigned to the Farragut and her room mate is assigned to another ship is touching because her room mate looks so excited to go and so excited to finally go out there. But now, they are all dead.

Honestly, I can't fathom how someone could not like this film. It just had it all.
 
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