The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

[flobo]

I really liked this movie. The only complain i have is that we will have to wait 2 years for the next one.
The federation is weakened by the loss of vulcan and all of the federation enemies are back in a position of power. I'd prefer a series to deal with them, because with a movie every two years, it'll take centuries.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Many of us still demand that Star Trek at least try and maintain a certain level of intelligence in the storytelling.

By what right do you demand anything from the people who run the Star Trek franchise? It can't be based on your financial right. Without even knowing you I can guarantee that the total amount of money you've spent on Star Trek in your entire life essentially adds up to nothing in terms of Trek revenue. It can't be based on your creative right since you're not a contributing writer or artist. Nor do you have an owner's right since Trek is clearly owned by somebody else. So what is it then? Who exactly are you to demand anything?

As a self-respecting viewer and fan of this franchise, I demand to not have my intelligence insulted on a regular basis! That good enough for ya, Sparky!?!

 

[Zeppster]

BTW if Roddenberry had the choice Trek dies in 1969. Fans are why it stuck around.

 

[Amaris]

You show fear and bitter angst. You show uncertainty, hatred of what you don't understand, rage against a Star Trek you don't know, and more importantly, don't want to know.

WRONG!

I know and understand this attempted Star Trek perfectly.

No, you do not. You fear it, but you don't know it.

It's Paramount's final slaughtering of the golden goose, dumbed down to lowest common denominator to get the biggest bang and finally suck in that elusive mass audience that doesn't want to actually think about what they just saw, just go for a roller coaster ride and enjoy the buzz from the adrenaline rush, which was precisely what Roddenberry most feared would happen once he was gone.

So how in the hell people can claim that he would approve of his worst nightmare is beyond me.

As I said, you don't know it. You fear it and all it represents. Change.

J.

 

[James Bond]

Many of us still demand that Star Trek at least try and maintain a certain level of intelligence in the storytelling.

By what right do you demand anything from the people who run the Star Trek franchise? It can't be based on your financial right. Without even knowing you I can guarantee that the total amount of money you've spent on Star Trek in your entire life essentially adds up to nothing in terms of Trek revenue. It can't be based on your creative right since you're not a contributing writer or artist. Nor do you have an owner's right since Trek is clearly owned by somebody else. So what is it then? Who exactly are you to demand anything?

As a self-respecting viewer and fan of this franchise, I demand to not have my intelligence insulted on a regular basis! That good enough for ya, Sparky!?!

You're not a real Star Trek fan.

 

[Dark Gilligan]

Edited.

 

[Borgminister]

Get off my lawn!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

As I said, you don't know it. You fear it and all it represents. Change.

J.

"The greatest danger facing us is ourselves, an irrational fear of the unknown. There is no such thing as the unknown - only things temporarily hidden, temporarily not understood."

 

[Tom Servo]

^ And this isn't baiting...how?

Cause it's the truth.

You seem to operate from the assumption that you are somehow intellectually superior to everyone on this board, and that because of that, you, and you alone, are the only person who knows how and why these shows were made.

You're wrong. You act like you were there. You weren't. People are citing sources showing how you are wrong, but you blow them off because dammit don't let facts get in the way of your vendetta.

 

[Captain Robert April]

By what right do you demand anything from the people who run the Star Trek franchise? It can't be based on your financial right. Without even knowing you I can guarantee that the total amount of money you've spent on Star Trek in your entire life essentially adds up to nothing in terms of Trek revenue. It can't be based on your creative right since you're not a contributing writer or artist. Nor do you have an owner's right since Trek is clearly owned by somebody else. So what is it then? Who exactly are you to demand anything?

As a self-respecting viewer and fan of this franchise, I demand to not have my intelligence insulted on a regular basis! That good enough for ya, Sparky!?!

You're not a real Star Trek fan.

Define "real Star Trek fan", bub.

 

[James Bond]

As a self-respecting viewer and fan of this franchise, I demand to not have my intelligence insulted on a regular basis! That good enough for ya, Sparky!?!

You're not a real Star Trek fan.

Define "real Star Trek fan", bub.

Not you?

 

[Amaris]

As a self-respecting viewer and fan of this franchise, I demand to not have my intelligence insulted on a regular basis! That good enough for ya, Sparky!?!

You're not a real Star Trek fan.

Define "real Star Trek fan", bub.

Why should he have to? You define it everywhere you go with how you treat people who think differently than you. "Sauce for the goose, Mr. Saavik."

J.

 

[Trekker4747]

I went and saw it again tonight -I still must see this in IMAX- and I've got to say I just really enjoy and love this movie, I think the whole cast does well with their parts and in watching again the Engineering "sets" sat better with me. I could "reason" that the vats Krik and Scotty run past are the antimatter tanks in the deep bowels, or something. I wish they hadn't used a friggin' brewery for these "sets" but I'm alright with it.

I'm also, as I said in my review, OK with contnuity taking it in the ass and these very young characters being on the ship in the positions they're "not supposed to have" for a few more years. I'll take this as a whole new universe. I'm... "fine" with that.

What matters to me is that this movie is fun, entertaining, and well made (except for all of the god-damn LENS FLARES!!!) I enjoyed the reuse of the original theme over the first bit of the ending credits but I kind of wish they had Pine do the "Space the final frontier..." narration.

Really this is a good, fun, Star Trek movie the way it was meant to me and as I also said above, feels a lot more like the TOS cast and crew than the real one's OWN first movie did.

I'm sitting here watching "The Naked Time" right now.

And I know he's taken some heat, but I really did love Chekov in this. There's just something about the over-the-topness of his accent. I just wish they had him incorrectly attribute something to Russia.

I also kind of wish the Amok Time theme had been used in one of the fights in the movie. (One of the fight scenes had music that sounded vaugely similar to it, but I would've liked something a lot more obvious, I guess.)

Really this movie is a fun, excellent ride.

I maintain my "A" grade I gave it above (though I voted Excellent in this forum's poll) the only thing keeping it from an A+ is the destruction of Vulcan, the rape of canon, and the Enterprise's design look and other technichal aspects. Basically fan nonsense knocked this down a partial letter grade.

But all of these actors really did a great, great job with the characters. I mean, fantastic. My favorites are probably Chekov, McCoy and Scotty.

Though Spock, Sulu and Kirk were really, really well done too. (I don't think Pine quite "had" Shatner. But who really does?)

The only one I didn't completely "buy" was Uhura who a lot more exotic, womanly, mysteriousness to her than potrayed here.

But, man, this movie is just really fantastic. I've GOT to see this in IMAX! I would've tonight but they were all sold out! (Except the 10p show which is too late for me. But at 2:00 the 7 show was sold out!)

Great, great, movie. I can't say that enough.


Trekker, will still bitch about the "fan stuff" and other quibbles in the other threads, though.

 

[Dark Gilligan]

As a self-respecting viewer and fan of this franchise, I demand to not have my intelligence insulted on a regular basis! That good enough for ya, Sparky!?!

No, it's not good enough. Not at all. Fans who make demands of people in the creative arts are pathetic. You act as if being entertained is a right, and that Star Trek is not living up to your demands. How dare you. If you're not happy with Star Trek in its current incarnation then simply walk away. Star Trek owes you nothing.

This thread is 55 pages long and you're throughout the bulk of it, bad-mouthing a film you haven't seen. Opinions have to be earned if they're to carry authority, and by your own admission you've earned zero. Your impotent rants have become quite tiresome.

 

[JoeD80]

Gene Roddenberry was a part-time journeyman TV writer, selling to the occasional show.

This part is not really accurate. He was not a "part-time journeyman TV writer". Although a freelance writer for a long time, he wrote pretty much constantly for TV from 1954 up to Star Trek. I wish I could write as many scripts as he did in only 10 years.

 

[Captain Robert April]

He made the accusation. I want a definition of terms.

 

[Amaris]

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And I know he's taken some heat, but I really did love Chekov in this. There's just something about the over-the-topness of his accent. I just wish they had him incorrectly attribute something to Russia.
...

Hey, I like Chekov too. He's a bit more endearing to me than Walter Koening was with the original characterization. I love his eagerness to serve. He's a lot of fun, and yes, if he'd have made some terribly inaccurate claim of Russian ingenuity, I would have loved it, too.

J.

 

[Trekker4747]

It's Paramount's final slaughtering of the golden goose, dumbed down to lowest common denominator to get the biggest bang and finally suck in that elusive mass audience that doesn't want to actually think about what they just saw, just go for a roller coaster ride and enjoy the buzz from the adrenaline rush, which was precisely what Roddenberry most feared would happen once he was gone.

I'd argue that this movie was done to "rope in" new casual fans. People who'll want to pop into the theater once every couple years to revisit this cast and universe. Or maybe get them interested in Trek, have them watch the reruns and/or DVDs and THEN get them roped into the bigger aspects of Trek.

Perhaps now that "he's got them" the next one will have a bigger, deeper storyline. This was the good, pure, uncut stuff the pusher gives you to get you pulled in. The next movie can be the stuff cut with plot and drama.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

This board makes for a fascinating sociological study of the fanbase.

Many of us still demand that Star Trek at least try and maintain a certain level of intelligence in the storytelling.

Others are willing to forgive even the most egregious boners so long as the result is an exciting movie.

Then we have still others who could be treated to a two-hour presentation of Leonard Nimoy's last colonoscopy and shout from the rooftops that it was the greatest Star Trek ever.

This last group is in full-throated ecstasy in this thread, and quite frankly, they scare me, because they're gonna take an arguably moribund franchise and take it right off the cliff Thelma & Louise style in their exuberance over this loud, flashy, and lobotomized Star Trek doppleganger.

So, I say again, Kool-Aid drinkers, enjoy the ride, 'cause it ain't gonna last. Your version doesn't have the integrity to hold up over time.

CRA, that is about enough of this sort of comment.

Referring to a whole group of other fans as "Kool-Aid drinkers", simply because they do not agree with YOU is WAY out of line.

And your comments made in posts after this are not much better. Like this one for example:

Fascinating.

We've gone from "The Cage" being rejected by NBC for being "too cerebral" to a braindead popcorn flick made by a Michael Bay wannabe being hailed as our salvation.

Ever noticed how some rollercoasters aren't as much fun the second or third time you ride them?

I'm convinced you are not a real Star Trek fan or have never really watched 90% of Star Trek

It's clear that you're easily convinced of things that aren't even close to reality.

Like the notion that this movie was actually good.

I take you went back for a second helping of the Kool-Aid?

And this one:

Many of us still demand that Star Trek at least try and maintain a certain level of intelligence in the storytelling.

By what right do you demand anything from the people who run the Star Trek franchise? It can't be based on your financial right. Without even knowing you I can guarantee that the total amount of money you've spent on Star Trek in your entire life essentially adds up to nothing in terms of Trek revenue. It can't be based on your creative right since you're not a contributing writer or artist. Nor do you have an owner's right since Trek is clearly owned by somebody else. So what is it then? Who exactly are you to demand anything?

As a self-respecting viewer and fan of this franchise, I demand to not have my intelligence insulted on a regular basis! That good enough for ya, Sparky!?!

I want you to STOP attacking other fans immediately. You have a beef with the film, you can post it, but you cannot attack or participate in name-calling toward other fans for their beliefs, likes and/or dislikes.

And to emphasize that point, you have a warning for trolling.

This weekend, there is zero tolerance for this sort of stuff in this forum.

Play nice, or be kicked out of the sandbox.

 

[Captain Robert April]

As a self-respecting viewer and fan of this franchise, I demand to not have my intelligence insulted on a regular basis! That good enough for ya, Sparky!?!

No, it's not good enough. Not at all. Fans who make demands of people in the creative arts are pathetic. You act as if being entertained is a right, and that Star Trek is not living up to your demands. How dare you. If you're not happy with Star Trek in its current incarnation then simply walk away. Star Trek owes you nothing.

This thread is 55 pages long and you're throughout the bulk of it, bad-mouthing a film you haven't seen. Your impotent rants have become quite tiresome.

I DID SEE IT! READ MY REVIEW AND GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT!