Will the uniforms change?
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Good to note, as I couldn't remember anything about sourced items for Tribbles, but I knew Relics did for sure.Yes, that was the one I meant to mention.Thanks!
But the "Tribbles" ep, too, IIRC.
Good to note, as I couldn't remember anything about sourced items for Tribbles, but I knew Relics did for sure.
Also, in David Gerrold's redshirt cameos, the tribble he is patting is a renegade tribble prop from TOS!
David Gerrold cameo in DS9 by Ian McLean, on Flickr
Touche.
Then it was Phase II/New Voyages. The thing was Paramount never bothered to return the uniforms they loaned. They went missing when the show went off the air.
IIRC, the old production report from Paramount posted on StarTrek.com back in the day for In a Mirror Darkly said the TOS uniforms worn by the main cast in the episode were tailor made, while the ones worn by the background extras portraying the Defiant's dead crew were taken from Trials and Tribble-Ations.
Do you have a source for this? Because I would think that uniforms made for completely different people would look ill-fitting on the ENT cast (just like the DS9 uniforms did on the TNG cast in Generations), but they all look fine.
This is not 100% correct. The hero uniforms for DS9 post rapture are not the precisely same design as the hero FC uniforms.*
Each actor needed their costume tailored individually and there were some subtle design changes, probably because it was easier to produce than the movie costumes.
What DS9 got for free was basically the pattern and design work which was all part of the FC prepoduction costs. I'm sure there was some costume sharing going on, especially for the background performers, but they didn't just inherit the hero costumes wholesale.
*to be fair, most of the changes would be practically invisible on SD screens, and it's mostly in the fine detailing.
I thought it was a Trekyards episode with James Cawley, however the only thing that a quick Google search pulled up is:
James Cawley
James M. Cawley II (born 23 June 1967; age 58) is best known as the senior executive producer and star of the fan-made internet series Star Trek: Phase II, formerly Star Trek: New Voyages, in which he played Captain James T. Kirk. For the canon Star Trek franchise, however, he appeared as a...
memory-alpha.fandom.com
"Pieces of the sets, and some of the costumes, have been borrowed by Paramount for their Enterprise series."
Which is unhelpfully unattributed on MemAlpha.
That's the inherent, massive failure of SNW as a concept; the "always looked that way" agenda not only clashes with TOS, but the natural, evolutionary design approach that transformed TOS into the TOS movies, and the movies into TNG's look. There's no way to sell the idea that SNW's look is over a century earlier than TNG. It does not work no matter how much some would love to sell that to themselves.
Yeah...no.
The TOS/Movies/TNG evolution was because those looks were developed in the 60s/70s/80s respectively. TMP looks like a 70s movie because that's when it was made for example, not because of when it was set, it could have taken place during TOS and would have looked mostly the same. They would have never reused the 60s look.
At no point has visual continuity affected the story continuity.
And what is it that makes TNG look like it takes place 70-80 years after the original series movies?
Its not the time the series/movies were produced; it was a conscious effort to show a believable, logical design lineage from one era to the next. That's why next to no one questioned the evolution from TOS-TOS/M-TNG--the internal visual language made sense right out of the gates. SNW is in no way some believable design / historical predecessor to TOS/TOS/M/TNG.
Not seeing anything "believable or logical" in the TOS-TOS/M-TNG design linage. The all stand as isolates to me. Especially the uniforms. Each one throws out the baby and the bathwater.
I'm talking about more than just uniforms. The Starfleet ships' exteriors/interiors are the strongest example of a natural design lineage from one production to another that clearly said the generations were in the same universe.
Now I wonder what the ships would look like if they changed in the same manner that the uniforms did.
Still not seeing it. They seem to go their own ways for the most part. LCARS looks nothing like the jellies from TOS or even the the Xmas lights of TMP. The uniforms in TMP are a major departure from TOS. The TWOK ones that followed are a departure from TMP. They're almost the opposite of both TMP and TOS. TNG's seems to drifts back to TMP in away but goes for bold color and asymmetry. Of course on the ship front The Refit is a reimagining of TOS's Enterprise. Still it takes liberties. TNG reshapes the components of a Trek ship. The primary hull, the secondary hull and the nacelles are totally different.
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