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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x10 - "New Life and New Civilizations"

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I had high hopes for this series but overall it’s been a bit of a disappointment. Actors are great, stories not so much. I can understand trying the oddball show here and there but give us at least 15 episodes a season if you want to experiment.

This is the first season of SNW where I didn’t watch an episode from start to finish in one sitting. Most took 3-4 tries to make it through. Too much Kirk this season, don’t care for the actor’s portrayal.

I gave this particular episode an 8, mainly because of the gift Batel gave Pike, a lifetime together. Had “The Inner Light” vibes. A future that could have been.
 
Does anyone else now kind of hope they do a Lower Decks comic with the Ceritos showing up to rescue Batel and put the Vezda in little jars? :D
 
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Einstein was proved wrong long ago in Star Trek.
How?

Except here of course XD
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We got another map view as well
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Because none of his theorems take into account the effects of subspace, subspatial materials, or psychic powers.
Since he never claimed those don't exist, none of them prove him wrong.

Why did the aliens speak Latin?
How did the meld work across ships, even synchronizing their voices like they're the Borg? :D
Pike's alternate future certainly was a hard knock life. ;)
 
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I had high hopes for this series but overall it’s been a bit of a disappointment. Actors are great, stories not so much. I can understand trying the oddball show here and there but give us at least 15 episodes a season if you want to experiment.

This is the first season of SNW where I didn’t watch an episode from start to finish in one sitting. Most took 3-4 tries to make it through. Too much Kirk this season, don’t care for the actor’s portrayal.

I gave this particular episode an 8, mainly because of the gift Batel gave Pike, a lifetime together. Had “The Inner Light” vibes. A future that could have been.
Hold on a second dude. You seem to have completely misunderstood something here. This was the end of the season, not the series. We've still got another two seasons to go so don't dismiss it entirely. Who knows? Seasons 4 and 5 may surprise us yet. Try and switch off your expectations and who knows you just might end up actually enjoying the series.
"Too much Kirk this season, don’t care for the actor’s portrayal." Okay and why exactly is this a problem? We already what's going to happen with Pike and we know that Kirk of course, eventually becomes captain of the enteprise but we don't know exactly how that happened. That's something I'm personally interested in seeing.
 
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This episode brought to mind a few TOS and TNG outings, the first being Pate's eyes and the second being a full life lived if only in fantasy. Production values throughout were simply astonishing, and the direction was very good, but the actual story was anticlimactic once you saw the handwriting on the obelisk, so to speak. A few scenes did stand out, I guess, like the gory eye-gauging scene, Scotty's full dress regalia and the Spock-Kirk laying of groundwork. Wonder if they'll revisit Kirk's Orion experience... Those knocks at the door were an interesting device, and Pike's hairstyles changing was kind of funny, if unintentionally. The living an imaginary life together was a well-worn trope, but exceedingly well done, I'll admit. And I suppose you can't go wrong with a message like Love/Good conquering Hate/Evil, but the vibe was too familiar for me to give the finale a 10. I'll give it a middling nine just for how well it was put together (production, direction and acting), but there wasn't anything spectacularly different to set it apart. I miss the 20 plus episode seasons...
 
The one thing that didn't really worked for me was the big deal they made about the whole "how did my life story get on the obelisk" thing.

Mind Reading or Time Travel, both exist in your universe so take your pick.
 
So what happened to M'Benga? Last I saw him he was left on the floor. Did I miss something?
 
Since he never claimed those don't exist, none of them prove him wrong.

Why did the aliens speak Latin?
How did the meld work across ships, even synchronizing their voices like they're the Borg? :D
Pike's alternate future certainly was a hard knock life. ;)
Apparently, according to one reviewer I read, they made grammatical mistakes with the Latin.

As for the meld working across ships, I take this as a magical property of the Star Trek universe. It works in the same space as Spock feeling the deaths of the Intrepid crew or Troi being able to read the minds of alien creatures who are on different ships.
 
wow, i must be one of the few who really enjoyed this one. Surprised by some of the responses here.

I'm a sucker for the 'Inner Light/The Visitor' type episodes, and the Pike alternate future scene here was just as wonderful. It really got me. I teared up .

Gave it a 9 out of 10. I also appreciate it was not a cliffhanger ending for once.
 
This is the first time I spotted a canon issue. Spock and Kirk meld in this episode yet in TOS "Devil in the Dark" he asks Kirk if he was familiar with the Vulcan technique.

I thought it was a decent season finale. Season one finale is still tops IMO, but I'm glad we didn't get a cliff hanger.

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Wow. This is how to do a season finale that ties up all the personal and other plot points from the other episodes of this season.

This is how you do something very much akin to TNG's S5 The Inner Light and really make it hit home as being a real part of STAR TREK and not just an episode that would work in any other Sci Fi/Fantasy anthology series like Twilight Zone or Outer Limits.

This was also miles above other similar Trek Franchise episodes like TNG's S6 Tapestry because it involved more than just the main characters and it pulled in and tied together stories from secondary characters they've taken the time to develop and make us care about. It's not just a bunch of 'one and done' guest stars of the week interacting with our Leads; it's secondary characters you know (assuming you've been watching the series of course.)

Loved:

- Pike got to experience the life he and Marie Batel wanted. It's so great the way they SHOWED in full how Pike 'gave Batel (now also a Beholder) the power needed to defeat the Vezda. (And wow, Pike is ascending to 'Kirk' level status because not only does he get his life with Marie Batel, he'll also get to live out a life with Vina on Talos IV in 2266.)

- Spock's explanation of 'dealing with Dimensional space' that lays the groundwork to make the various plot elements work out within the episode.

- The Mind Meld between Kirk and Spock that allows them to pilot the two ships in perfect synch (among other things.)

- Pela's self cut off 'admission' that she once 'hung out' with a 'Time-Travelling Doctor' :bolian: (STAR TREK/Doctor WHO crossover confirmed. ;))


Nit Picks:

- The degree of Spock's memories Kirk appeared to retain after the Mind Meld. I assume such memories fade over time OR Spock still has ways of not sharing everything as one would think that after that Kirk would remember that Sarek is Spock's father and Amanda is Spock's mother just a few years later in TOS S2 Journey To Babel. :shrug:

- Didn't really care for Spock's "One day we may serve of the same ship..." bit. Less blatant foreshadowing is more in my book, and this was unnecessary.

And yeah, you can tell that Akiva and Co. were definitely thinking SNW S3 might be the last (and this was obviously written prior to them getting the SNW S4 renewal) - as yeah, it definitely came across as something that would work and was intended as a series finally, especially given that blatant Spock line I mentioned above, the whole "enough for a 5 year mission..." which would move them to 2265 and imply 'more adventures' in case we had no more actual episodes coming; and the way they did the final ship 'Warp Out' sequence.
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So, no - these writers and producers weren't assuming anything was set in stone for this series after Season 3, and especially after the SAG strike.

But, that said - I'm extremely happy we're getting a SNW S4 (10 episodes) and S5 (6 episodes) and my only annoyance at this time is I have to probably wait another year before seeing the next 10 SNW episodes.

So again, a 10 from me and IMO this is how to do something like TNG's S5 The Inner Light (which I know is many a Star Trek TNG fan's favorite, but which I didn't find that good as it could work equally well with no real changes for ANY anthology series) and make it uniquely and DEFINITELY Star Trek.) YMMV.

And overall I have to say S4 really worked for me. There were only two episodes I disliked:

SNW S3 Ep. 2 Wedding Bell Blues to which I gave a 3 because yeah, I didn't need to see Trelane be confirmed as a Q nor John De'Lanice's Q confirmed as his father.

SNW S3 Ep. 4 A Space Adventure Hour to which I gave a 1 as I felt it was laughing at Star Trek (and TOS in particular) and not with it, as a majority of other parodies have done. (And yes, I know others very much disagree and think it was a good parody laughing 'with' Star Trek, but not me.)

The other eight episodes are six 10's one 8 and one 9 so yeah, this was IMO a great season overall for me.
agree with most of what you say!

Really enjoyed this one, and most of this season as a whole.

The Inner Light style scene actually got me teary.

The only episode which really didnt land for me was Space Adventure Hour.

Wedding Bell Blues was a bit silly too, but it did give me a few chuckles.
 
I think season 3 has been mostly misunderstood and underappreciated... I think that in about 10 years, people will look back at this season as a gem. I felt it had an awesome balance of drama, humor and out-of-the-box formats. It featured some great new concepts and alien races (The Jikaru, The Vezda), and some awesome additions to canon (Kirk taking command of the Farragut, etc.). I know there's this populistic tendency to hate on this season, even though I realise that some people have grounded, well thought out criticism (which is valid, even though I disagree). But the 'hate for the sake of hate'-crowd have unfortunately dominated the comment sections and social media channels...

I reminds me a lot of VOY and ENT back in the late '90's and the first half of the 2000's. Those shows were hated immensely back than, just as Berman and Braga were hated... Nowadays, those shows are considered 'classic, REAL Trek'... So people will come around... Someday SNW S3 will get the credit it well deserves...
completely agree. This is a season people will come around to appreciate in the future.

Like when i go back and watch early VOY and ENT, I find a lot of gems. And people hated on those shows just as much as Kurtzman era at the time.
 
Never change, Internet. (I thought this particular episode was a complete mess too, but come on.)
 
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