Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"

He didn't have any stickers on this boom box. He's slipping in middle age.

 

Confederation Spock stopped the whale probe by going back to 1984, or Punk in Bus wouldn't have reacted the way he did. And Guinan is at a point in her life, where she wasn't in the Nexus yet and El Aurian senses weren't altered by being in there

 

Really? Only in "modern" Trek?

Please go and rewatch TOS S3 - "Let This Be Your Last Battlefield" (written filmed and shown at a time when Civil Rights was in the news nightly as well as yet to be passed Civil Rights legislation was still being debated in Congress; and get back to me.

There is also TOS S2 - "A Private Little War" - again, written, filmed and aired when the Viet Nam War was shown on U.S. TVs nightly on Network news broadcasts. (And other entertains like the Smothers Brothers who had their weekly variety show on CBS) were being censored by various affiliates...taken from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smothers_Brothers#Controversies_and_cancellation

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And I cite the above only to show that Star Trek was doing VERY CONTROVERSIAL and OPENLY POLITICAL (with a very clear viewpoint and message) topics back in the 60s.

So yeah, sorry to burst your bubble - but Trek doing very in your face style stories that are politically charged is nothing new for the franchise.

 

he didn't listen to music on his phone

 

It depends on what you mean by 'progressive' and 'Progress' which is why I specified what I call big 'P' progressivism. I don't identify as the latter myself - that doesn't mean I don't value equality, civil liberties, mutual respect and pluralism. In my observation, pluralism in particular seems to be absent in the big P variety.

 

He plays his music too loud and annoys the other people on the bus. I would have thought that was obvious.

 

I think some people have more of a problem with this because it isn't allegorical at all - it's set in our world, with our political and governmental institutions, so it comes across as a polemic. That's always going to turn some people off because they feel they're being lectured at, not entertained.

If it was set on planet Sigma Alpha IX and the Prebulicans were brutally arresting and deporting immigrants to Xecomi you probably wouldn't bat an eyelid.

But Star Trek has always had room for allegory and polemic, particularly DS9. I'm perfectly comfortable with this.

Our world is pretty shit for a lot of people and showing characters fight for a better one that they know can exist is pretty much Star Trek's mission statement.

 

Network TV in 1968 and 1969:

 

Ahh, I got your angle now. Yeah, it's clearly meant to be the same guy and to me he clearly remembers the encounter with Kirk and Spock.

 

yes, because 1984 happened 40 years before 2024, that's how time works.

but was it Federation Kirk and Spock or Confederation Kirk and Spock and why does it matter if the outcome in this case ist clearly the same?

 

"TV in 2022 needs to be less political and preachy."

TV from 1967 to 1969:

 

There's no bubble to burst. I'm familiar with all the source material. The difference for me may well be in the nature of the issues that this show wants to explore and the way these are presented to the audience within the context of the story.

 

you're welcome. of course I used a very linear model of time in that post, even though we all know it's a lot more wibbly wobbly than that

 

I think if the Confederation could bring the Borg to heel they wouldn't have much trouble destroying the whale probe.

 

He's 60. That's past "middle age" he can get his dinner discount at Denny's before 5 pm.

 

25th century Confeds defeated the Borg, 23th century Confeds met the whale probe. we have not enough data to get to the conclusion that they were able to destroy the whale probe, but we have data that strongly indicates someone met with Punkboy in 1984

 

Yeah - one episode with the speed wobbles would've been passable, but with this episode the trend is down. We need a hard bounce next week.