Spoilers Stargirl - Season One Discussion Thread

That person is an idiot. So was the writer and editor of the story line that followed a similar train of thought.

 

Cap was also an idiot.

He gets a full blood transfusion, to be a real man, and not a drug.

Then he starts getting weaker over the course of the next few issues, until it "grows back" and Steve is a junkie Supersoldier again.

372 - 378. Streets of poison.

Although?

Remember Patriot from the Young Avengers?

He shot up Mutant growth hormone to mimic super powers, since he was just a base line human, despite his grandfather being Isaiah Bradly, the original Captain America.

 

Cap is a fictional character. He's only as idiotic as the writers make him.
Is there a definition of "junkie" I'm unfamiliar with?

 

Have you read any Burroughs?

 

William S?

 

That's the guy.

For him it's about hunger, sacrifice, acceptance and repeat.

 

Yeah, that's nice. Doesn't sound like Steve Rogers though.

Though a favorite short story by Philip Jose Farmer is called "The Jungle Rot Kid On the Nod" Tarzan if written by William Burroughs instead of Edgar Rice.

 

Then there's the Problem with Nabu's Helm.

Slavery.

Some Nelson kid, is going to wake up in a seedy hotel room two years later, married to some woman he's never met before, and try to shoot an apple off her head.

 

In what way has Doom Patrol not looked like the comics?

 

I know they aren't literally 8 year olds, which is why I said that, in the released pictures, the costumes made them look like they were 8 years old. Obviously they're going to be around Stargirl's age, but the costumes look odd on them and it leads to them looking like little kids in costumes that are too big for them. The new Doctor Mid-Nite especially, they should have just gone with a variation of the Yellow/black Beth Chapel costume, because she looks outright ridiculous wearing the old Dr. Mid-Nite costume.

First, I want to make it clear that I love the Doom Patrol TV show, and this is from somebody who has never really cared about the comic book version. I suppose saying they look nothing like them is wrong. Jane looks like Jane, since the comic Jane is also just a woman wearing normal clothes most of the time. Robotman just looks vaguely like the worst version of that character (Grant Morrison's shitty version), and Cyborg has cheap looking plastic stuff on his face that vaguely resembles what he should look like (and is wearing a tracksuit for budget reasons, which makes sense out of universe but doesn't mean that he actually looks particularly good). Negative man has bandages/glasses but doesn't look like he usually does in the comics outside of that (except, again, maybe he looks like Grant Morrison's crappy version).

Rita is especially nothing like the comic version in look or attitude, and outside of the wheelchair the Chief looks nothing like the comic character. The show also screwed over classic DP member Mento, who is NOT an old man (although he is sometimes crazy). I guess you could argue that, outside of Rita being nothing like Elastigirl in really any sense outside of powers and elements of her backstory, the biggest problem I have is Cyborg looking really cheap and the show taking too much of its look from the short lived, shitty Grant Morrison Doom Patrol run.

Again, to be clear, I really enjoy Doom Patrol despite its weird (and sometimes cheap looking) style, but its definitely not one of the DC shows that cares too much about looking like comics, outside of the stuff obviously inspired by Grant Morrison's run. That said, it sure as hell is more accurate then Titans, and while Rita doesn't really resemble the comic version she's still more accurate from a character perspective then any Titans character is to their comic counterpart.

 

I'm not sure that I agree completely though I see your point on some of the characters, thanks for elaborating.

 

Old man with a beard. Not sure what's wrong there.

 

In the comics he's a redhead, and usually wearing a suit/tie. That's definitely different from Dalton's version. Again, I don't mind that the TV Doom Patrol is different then the comic versions, but it is different.

 

His hair went gray in later issues

And the visuals for most of the TV team originated in the comics, starting with Morrison's run and going through the latest one

Like it or not, Morrison's is the most acclaimed version.

 

His version isn't the "acclaimed" one. It was barely remembered even by comic fans until the 2016 DP series based itself off of it, and the live action tv show is the first time that version of the Doom Patrol has been used in other media, while the classic version (or variations of it) has appeared in several cartoons and has been the only non-comic representation until the live action show.

Also, versions more like the standard Doom Patrol have been the majority of the Doom Patrol comics even after Morrison's run, up until Keith Giffen's run was cancelled in 2011. Morrison's DoomPatrol run is an obscure comic that had its fans, but it was far from mainstream and its never been considered "the" version of the Doom Patrol, at least not Pre New 52. The last Doom Patrol comic from 2016 was somewhat inspired by it, but that comic was absolute dogshit.

As for the chief, he's had red hair longer then he had grey, and the New 52 version went back to red hair. Not that his hair color matters, but Dalton doesn't look like him regardless, because he wears much different clothing and his hair is never pure grey like the later DP comics portrayed the chief. Again, it doesn't matter to me that the TV Doom Patrol doesn't resemble the comics, but it is something that is definitely there.

 

Talk about a very strict family. Luckily she didn’t come out as gay or they might have killed her.
It was a okay episode but it needs more Pat. Don’t know what was up with the violin. I get the impression she was trying to summon someone.

I also don’t think the boyfriend shared the photo. I’m getting the impression that scene with him laughing with his friends was a red herring and that strange girl with the white highlights cloned his phone and asked for the pictures.

 

I haven't watched the episode yet, but something to do with a violin might be a reference to The Fiddler, a golden age Flash villain.

 

An okay episode, finally getting some insight into one of the supporting heroes-to-be that have been in the background for weeks. It's weird to see Courtney recruiting virtual strangers as superheroes -- that could easily backfire if she picks someone who can't be trusted or isn't what they appear. But then, she is a novice at this.

Weird to see them giving Wildcat a high-tech supersuit, which feels like an attempt to evoke Black Panther. In the comics, Wildcat is an old-school, non-powered hero relying on his fists, although the post-Crisis version of him apparently had "nine lives" and could come back from the dead. And yes, I looked that up on the DC wiki. It was funny to see Courtney looking up a superhero's Wikipedia article, formatted like that of a fictional character complete with a "Powers & Abilities" section, but for a genuine historical superhero. (I bet they actually copied a lot of the text directly from Wikipedia.)

Yeah, they're total jerks. Where's the logic in reacting to something that brought shame to their family by continuing to perpetuate the shaming themselves? Not to mention how much it sucks to blame the victim for her violation.

It also seems a bit unfair to see Henry King blamed for something Cindy Burman did, but of course that's minor compared to how Yolanda's been made to suffer. More importantly, he's not entirely blameless, because he was evidently showing the photos to his jock friends in the hallway, giving Cindy the opportunity to take it and (I would guess) send herself the pictures. So he still did what Yolanda thinks he did, just on a smaller scale, which doesn't make it okay.

She was presumably doing what you're supposed to do with a coma patient -- stimulate their mind and their senses in the hope that it will increase their brain activity and maybe wake them up. Music is a good way to do that. And since the principal's name is Anaya Bowin, that means she's probably related to the Injustice Society member The Fiddler, whose name in the comics is Isaac Bowin (which is the name of Anaya's son in the show, perhaps Isaac Jr.).

 

But was he? That could be a red herring.

with the violin they kept focusing on the chair when she was playing it. I expected someone to appear in it.

 

They made a point of showing Cindy taking his phone, and then in the assembly, she used her phone to send the nude photos to everyone else. She held Henry's phone so briefly that the only way she could've known the nude photos existed was if he'd had them on the screen at that moment, while he was showing his phone to his friends. I don't see any other logical interpretation. She wouldn't have just cloned his entire phone on general principles and then stumbled on the photos later. That doesn't make any sense.

They weren't focusing on the chair, they were focusing on Wildcat hiding behind it.