Peggy Carter.
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Peggy Carter.
Peggy is Agent 13.
^ No she's not. Agent 13 is Sharon Carter.
I'm really skeptical of both Betty Ross and Agent 13, but Peggy Carter could be one (I would imagine it's just a flashback, though). I was trying to cryptically suggest it could be Captain Marvel, though.
I'm really skeptical of both Betty Ross and Agent 13, but Peggy Carter could be one (I would imagine it's just a flashback, though). I was trying to cryptically suggest it could be Captain Marvel, though.
Right, never mind.
Claudia Kim was a name I was thinking of as a possibility. That could work.
GOTG still has a talking Racoon and sentient tree on a team fighting bad guys. I like the current Black Widow comic (and almost all of her old ones I've read), but a superhero movie needs superhero things. An alien weapon, super bad guy groups with super weapons, just something to make sure its not James Bond with a few Marvel names thrown in. Black Widow shouldn't be killing and seducing random bad guys to get back military defense codes or stop some random terrorists from killing random people. She needs to be stopping some super criminals by infiltrating bases and kicking butt. The character isn't 007, or Bourne.
Its the Marvel Movie Universe. It needs HYDRA, super powered criminals, and/or alien tech in the wrong hands. Those can all fit in a spy story. If people want bland spy stories, they have James Bond for that. BW isn't just a spy, she's a superhero who does things that would kill people like Bond without effort. She can do spy things, but there needs to be things like transforming bears or evil russians in armored suits at some point. Even Captain America has fought bizarre nazi's with deformed heads and his mind controlled ex-friend on a giant flying aircraft carrier. A spy story is fine, but like everything, it needs to have the Marvel style. She can do spy things and fight superhero style threats/plots, and marvel isn't going to do a generic type movie for anyone. They all have superhero/comic book elements, and that's how it should be.
Did you not watch The Winter Solider?
You mean the one with the Nazi scientist mastermind's brainwaves encoded onto a computer, a killer cyborg from WWII and the three flying aircraft carriers?
Seriously though, a Black Window movie should basically be a spy movie, but there needs to be *some* comic-bookey angle to it otherwise it'd look like just another Bond/Borne knock off.
You know it just occurred to me that one possible way to set-up a Ms. Marvel movie would be to have a pre-powers Danvers in a Black Widow movie. A good way to test the waters for a new character is with an already established one. You could even have the movie's Mcguffin that various factions are fighting over turn out to be Mar-Vel, with Danvers getting hit (and seemingly mortally wounded) with his powers in the third act, only to have her powers revealed in the post-credits stinger.
Not very likely I'll grant you, but it could work.
Arnim Zola was a small moment that was ultimately unimportant to the plot. The three aircraft carriers isn't dramatically different from the level of sci-fi in a James Bond film.
However, it doesn't sound like we're dramatically apart. I think a Black Widow movie with a tone similar to a James Bond film could work. I have no problem with it having comic book elements. I would say that's more or less a given.
However, it doesn't sound like we're dramatically apart. I think a Black Widow movie with a tone similar to a James Bond film could work. I have no problem with it having comic book elements. I would say that's more or less a given.
I have a feeling we'll see him again. Black Widow did connect that USB to him before uploading it to the web.
I'm skeptical that his entire brain could be stored on a thumb drive. Plus, I feel that would just come off as repetitive. It was a cool moment, but do we need to see the same thing twice?
And the brainwashed killer cyborg from WWII...?
Honestly I think Bond is a poor measure for a grounded spy movie. As you pointed out, over the years they've done some very campy, comic-bookey material themselves, to say nothing of the bonkers action sequences.
The likes of 'Borne', 'Taken' or 'Salt' would be a better benchmark for tone IMO.
Given how old that hardware was, I think it's a safe bet that he's already made a digital copy of himself and what they encountered was just the 1.0 version.
I'm skeptical that his brain could be stored like it was currently, and it is a Shield thumb drive too. I'm sure they don't come in a bigger size than that one. Also, it wouldn't be the same thing, it'll be worse. A digital Hydra member loose in the internet with access to any connected network; banks, law enforcement databases, the electrical grid, even twitter (now trending, Captain America is evil). He could wreak havoc if he wanted to.
And the brainwashed killer cyborg from WWII...?
Eh, he's still less fantastical than Jaws.
I'm confused. Are you in favor of a grounded spy story or opposed to it? If you think it needs more high concept comic book elements, like Kirk was suggesting, and you're opposed to the idea of a more grounded story, respectfully, you don't get to suggest the tone of the movie just to shoot down the idea. It was Aldo who suggested it, so he can say whether he meant more in line with Salt or James Bond.
I think a movie in the spirit of James Bond movies that are no more fantastical than The Winter Soldier would work quite well.
And the brainwashed killer cyborg from WWII...?
Eh, he's still less fantastical than Jaws.
Brainwashing, cryonics and cybernetics is less fantastical that a tall bloke with metal dentures...? OK, sure, I totally buy that!
In my initial post I was just pointing out that TWS wasn't all *that* serious in terms of content. Even the mostly serious tone was offset with a slightly comedic bent, in a buddy-cop movie kind of way. Not a complaint, just an observation.
My preference for a Black Widow is for a more modern, gritty style like the examples I cited, but not taking itself *too* seriously and there should be some comic book twist in there. Basically, more of what we saw with TWS, but with criminal underworld espionage instead of political intrigue/allegory.
For me, Bond will always be so much campy nonsense. A product of growing up with x-mas showings of Octopusy and Moonraker I'm afraid.
Brainwashing, cryonics and cybernetics is less fantastical that a tall bloke with metal dentures...? OK, sure, I totally buy that!
He was able to free fall from space and survive.
Pretty much just covered Avengers 2 and Ant-Man. Absolutely nothing beyond 2015 mentioned other than the July 28, 2017 date for GotG 2.
Brainwashing, cryonics and cybernetics is less fantastical that a tall bloke with metal dentures...? OK, sure, I totally buy that!
He was able to free fall from space and survive.
Jaws survived everything falling out a plane, going over waterfall, a shark, being thrown from a train you name it.
