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‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

It sounds better than "Superman versus Batman."

That's the actual answer.

Like the article above says, that actually makes it look like Superman is the aggressor - which when you have already somewhat unpopular Man of Steel Superman going against Batman (who most people like) isn't a good idea.
 
David Goyer, writer of the film, made some indelicate comments on a podcast.

On She-Hulk: "...I think She-Hulk is the chick that you could f**k if you were Hulk, you know what I’m saying? … She-Hulk was the extension of the male power fantasy. So it’s like if I’m going to be this geek who becomes the Hulk then let’s create a giant green porn star that only the Hulk could f**k."

And then - Goyer also threw a stereotypical insult out at geeks. He asked “How many people in the audience have heard of Martian Manhunter?” After people replied, he said, "“How many people that raised their hands have ever been laid?"

Both comments are pretty crass.

You wouldn't think he'd want to piss where he sleeps. He probably thought it was funny but you'd think a guy whose bread and butter is in making comic book movies wouldn't want to alienate his audience.

You really think the comic book reader is suddenly not going to show up for a superhero movie because of some ridiculous comments the writer made? And it would impact the box office that much?

He would be in real trouble if he some how pissed off the Chinese. Like, all of them. That's a market you don't want to piss off.
 
IIRC, She-Hulk is the last character at Marvel actually created by Stan Lee. If so, I can see some fairly embarrassing press for Goyer in the future if Lee and/or Marvel want to turn this into "WB writer attacks beloved 90 year old dean of comic book creators."
Not going to happen, at least not so far as Marvel making a big deal of it, especially because James Gunn, director of Guardians of the Galaxy, landed himself in a similar internet mini-controversy as the result of an article he wrote called "The 50 Superheroes You Most Want To Have Sex With".
 
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David Goyer, writer of the film, made some indelicate comments on a podcast.

On She-Hulk: "...I think She-Hulk is the chick that you could f**k if you were Hulk, you know what I’m saying? … She-Hulk was the extension of the male power fantasy. So it’s like if I’m going to be this geek who becomes the Hulk then let’s create a giant green porn star that only the Hulk could f**k."

And then - Goyer also threw a stereotypical insult out at geeks. He asked “How many people in the audience have heard of Martian Manhunter?” After people replied, he said, "“How many people that raised their hands have ever been laid?"

Both comments are pretty crass.

You wouldn't think he'd want to piss where he sleeps. He probably thought it was funny but you'd think a guy whose bread and butter is in making comic book movies wouldn't want to alienate his audience.

You really think the comic book reader is suddenly not going to show up for a superhero movie because of some ridiculous comments the writer made? And it would impact the box office that much?

It is the equivalent (and equally erroneous) notion that has been applied to Orci's tiff with some fans last year. Neither case represents anything more than a tiny blip, neither will cost either company a cent nor will it lead to fewer people watching future releases of superhero or Trek movies. Dropping an olive into a martini is a greater disturbance of tranquility, proportionally speaking.
 
It sounds better than "Superman versus Batman."

That's the actual answer.

Like the article above says, that actually makes it look like Superman is the aggressor - which when you have already somewhat unpopular Man of Steel Superman going against Batman (who most people like) isn't a good idea.
Yeah, no.

It just sounds better with Batman in front. That's it. No deep thought or other rationale required. This isn't college where you have to pretend that Shakespeare was a super genius who was codifying volumes and volumes of thoughts and commentary into each line he wrote. The phrase just sounds better with Batman in the front.
 
For the last year or so I've been thinking that they're moving ahead too quickly with this Justice League business but in a way it makes sense. If an alien like Superman did show up, I imagine that things would change pretty quickly and people like Batman would start coming out of the woodwork almost immediately. I still don't like the title though and hope that Superman and everything they set up in Man of Steel isn't sidelined too much.

I just hope they can explain why then all these other Justice League members didn't help out against Zod and his attempted killing everyone on Earth. Even if they aren't yet a group, it's implying they are out there.

I know a counterpoint to is that they were busy eslewhere, but that world wide disaster in Man of Steel would make that really hard to stick by as the reason.



Aren't Hulk and She-Hulk cousins?

Yes, Jennifer Walters was injured (shot really) and her cousin Bruce Banner gave her a blood transfusion to save her life but his gamma irradiated/modified blood caused her to have the ability to change into She Hulk. A character that in some was surpassed the original, not in name recognition, but she's been in just about every super team from Avengers to Fantastic Four. She's also a lawyer and has worked as a defense attorney and as and assistant district attorney.

I think Goyer's comments are a kind of power trip, as in he writes these things and can get away with insulting the customers, he still gets paid either way.

Martian Manhunter is one of my favorite Justice League members. I guess he must think I'm a pathetic fool. :(
 
I have a feeling they just went with "V" to make it look a bit classier than previous versus movies that have been released (Freddy vs Jason, Alien vs Predator, Ecks vs Sever...)

Or perhaps they didn't want to emphasis the "versus" part of the title too much, and imply that there will be a lot more of Batman and Superman fighting each other than there really is.
 
You wouldn't think he'd want to piss where he sleeps. He probably thought it was funny but you'd think a guy whose bread and butter is in making comic book movies wouldn't want to alienate his audience.

You really think the comic book reader is suddenly not going to show up for a superhero movie because of some ridiculous comments the writer made? And it would impact the box office that much?

It is the equivalent (and equally erroneous) notion that has been applied to Orci's tiff with some fans last year. Neither case represents anything more than a tiny blip, neither will cost either company a cent nor will it lead to fewer people watching future releases of superhero or Trek movies. Dropping an olive into a martini is a greater disturbance of tranquility, proportionally speaking.

A part of me though, really wishes it could actually an actual disturbance.

Comic book fans (and I'm one of them) are pretty much sheep. We'll just keep going to these things--even if we hate them.

Though, I will say, having limited time because I have a kid, makes me a lot more selective in what I see.
 
Anyway, when did not knowing about something stop people from making jokes or pontificating about it?!

People are free to say stupid things, sure, but other people have just as much freedom to tell them they're full of it.

And yes, I do find it a little disquieting that the writer/producer responsible for bringing Wonder Woman to the big screen for the first time looks at a character who has a claim to being Marvel's equivalent to Wonder Woman -- a superstrong, independent, often reinterpreted but perenially popular heroine with a strong female fan following -- and sees her as nothing but a sex object and an appendage to a male character. Since he clearly has no knowledge of the facts about She-Hulk, the way he perceives her would be a reflection of his own preconceptions about superheroines, and that's not at all encouraging.

And I'm just sayin', Goyer shouldn't be surprised if he discovers one day soon that someone came to his house and ripped up all his X-Men.
 
^Fortunately Chris Terrio has replaced David Goyer as writer on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. I can only hope Terrio is hired to write Justice League. Or anyone other than David Goyer, who is quickly becoming the Avi Arad of the DC Cinematic Universe.
 
I think this should be called Bruce Wayne v. Superman - and the plot should be Bruce Wayne suing Superman for throwing Zod through the Metropolis branch of Wayne Enterprises - costing millions of dollars in damage and thousands of lives.
 
http://www.themarysue.com/david-goyer-calls-she-hulk-sex-fantasy/

Why does Goyer get all the crap when the interviewer himself made even cooler remarks?

Craig Mazin said:
The real name for She-Hulk was Slut-Hulk. That was the whole point. Let’s just make this green chick with enormous boobs. And she’s Hulk strong but not Hulk massive, right? … She’s real lean, stringy…
Craig Mazin said:
The whole point of She-Hulk was just to appeal sexistly to ten-year-old boys. Worked on me.


But that Goyer was pretty much a hack already became apparent with the abomination that was Blade: Trinity. Still waiting for Blade III. Now that Snipes is out of prison...
 
You really think the comic book reader is suddenly not going to show up for a superhero movie because of some ridiculous comments the writer made? And it would impact the box office that much?

It is the equivalent (and equally erroneous) notion that has been applied to Orci's tiff with some fans last year. Neither case represents anything more than a tiny blip, neither will cost either company a cent nor will it lead to fewer people watching future releases of superhero or Trek movies. Dropping an olive into a martini is a greater disturbance of tranquility, proportionally speaking.

A part of me though, really wishes it could actually an actual disturbance.

Comic book fans (and I'm one of them) are pretty much sheep. We'll just keep going to these things--even if we hate them.

Comic book fans being sheep isn't why their won't be a disturbance, its that there aren't enough of them to cause a disturbance even if they get mad.

So effectively they really aren't that relevant in the grand scheme of how successful a comic movie is, and any claims to the contrary are are just wishful thinking.
 
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