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The Walking Dead Season 4

I think the reason people don't fully take to Bob is because of his confessed history. It's pretty forthright of him to share that with these new people. That would be highly unlikely of someone in his situation. Your history before Zombieland might not matter all too much anymore, but your history in the aftermath kind of does, if you're to be travelling with people and counting upon them

That's the thing. The audience knows about many of the other characters' aftermath history. We know what Michonne & Tara had been doing, & we watched Daryl, Rick & Carol go through the things that got them here

But we don't know anything about how Bob managed these past 2 years, except that everyone he ever travelled with is dead. It's tough to put stock in a guy who had that happen, when you don't know how it relates to him, what culpability he has in it, if any, or if he had to make hard choices like we're seeing people make among our older characters

Let's face it, we've all debated, at one time or another, the conduct of characters who've been there from the beginning, & in this guy's case, we got nothing to go on to measure his character

So are people expecting him to get drunk and kill everyone or The Shining's All work and no (boose) makes (Bob) a dull boy?
 
But we don't know anything about how Bob managed these past 2 years, except that everyone he ever travelled with is dead.

Wouldn't it be cool if Bob is actually from Terminus and he's out looking for food? It would certainly explain how people in other groups he's been in have died the past few years, and would also explain why he doesn't care what type of a group he joins, just so long as its a group.

That said, there's obviously a hole or two in that theory, and of course it's far more likely that he will end up getting eaten or killed or whatever happens at Terminus as opposed to being the bad guy doing it.

So while it's not going to happen, wouldn't it be fun if Bob was planning on eating everyone all season long? (Why else do you think he's been driven to alcoholism? Or maybe he left Terminus and planned on never going back, but when the prison fell, he saw no reason to fight against the return to his old home that was inevitably calling him back.)
 
lol It's a funny idea, but that flashback of his he's just alone & destitute. Who'd do that if they had an in at Terminus?

So are people expecting him to get drunk and kill everyone or The Shining's All work and no (boose) makes (Bob) a dull boy?

I was thinking more like what Daryl expressed to him about his drinking back when it came out & they were hunting down antibiotics

The audience can't put stock in him being someone the others can count on, without knowing what kind of person he is. If he got drunk on watch, or was off looking for a buzz when someone needed him there, or maybe when his past acquaintances needed help, he just cowered in a closet somewhere until everyone was gone. I'm beginning to sense he's not like that, but honestly, we just don't really have a clue what he's been like & that registers with viewers
 
Wouldn't it be cool if Bob is actually from Terminus and he's out looking for food? It would certainly explain how people in other groups he's been in have died the past few years, and would also explain why he doesn't care what type of a group he joins, just so long as its a group.

That said, there's obviously a hole or two in that theory, and of course it's far more likely that he will end up getting eaten or killed or whatever happens at Terminus as opposed to being the bad guy doing it.

Sure, there could be holes in your theory, but from the start of this season, we were told Bob has some "secret." It is not a big deal if it merely alcoholism (other than causing the rack to fall, and ultimately costing Beth's boyfriend his life).

So while it's not going to happen, wouldn't it be fun if Bob was planning on eating everyone all season long? (Why else do you think he's been driven to alcoholism? Or maybe he left Terminus and planned on never going back, but when the prison fell, he saw no reason to fight against the return to his old home that was inevitably calling him back.)

Perhaps he is from Terminus, which would explain how he's always the last man standing from old groups. Maybe he wanders around, pretending to be lost, until he comes across "fresh meat," wins their confidence, then leads them to the slaughter.

Granted, that would be tough with a population as large as the prison (at the start of the season), but there's something not quite right about him, other than his desire to have a stable family.
 
I'm beginning to sense he's not like that, but honestly, we just don't really have a clue what he's been like & that registers with viewers

Well maybe that was the big twist with Bob. He was a character designed to make us not trust him and to wonder about his ulterior motives and dark secrets (remember, some folks thought he was the one that would let the Governor into the prison), and maybe the big reveal with Bob is that he's actually a nice guy. That would be a surprise (and it kind of was). It would be a nice little change of pace for a series that has had a very dark second half of the season. There are still some good people out there. Some happy surprises still await us.
 
General Question: TWD sure has pushed the limits in terms of showing violence and using profanity on cable TV. I wonder why they also haven't pushed the same limits with nudity? Thoughts?
 
Because the whackjob religious right has no problems with swearing or violence, the more guns and guts, the better. But if there's a nip slip, you get a public outcry and demand for burkas for all...
 
Because the whackjob religious right has no problems with swearing or violence, the more guns and guts, the better. But if there's a nip slip, you get a public outcry and demand for burkas for all...

:lol: Probably so. I just about fell over the other day when I was reading about some religious fruitcake who was absoluatly convinced that the hit song in the film Frozen, - "let it go," - was a veiled attempt by Disney to indoctrinate children that being gay was OK. :wtf:
 
Because the whackjob religious right has no problems with swearing or violence, the more guns and guts, the better. But if there's a nip slip, you get a public outcry and demand for burkas for all...

:lol: Probably so. I just about fell over the other day when I was reading about some religious fruitcake who was absoluatly convinced that the hit song in the film Frozen, - "let it go," - was a veiled attempt by Disney to indoctrinate children that being gay was OK. :wtf:


well, there's also the fact that the violence is fake (as we see in The Talking Dead how they do decapitations, for example). Nudity isn't fake. It might not be the main actress's body, but it IS someone's body.
 
well, there's also the fact that the violence is fake (as we see in The Talking Dead how they do decapitations, for example). Nudity isn't fake. It might not be the main actress's body, but it IS someone's body.

Well true. But the show has taken some big risks with I'd think some very dicey scenes. e.g. Carl kills his mother. Carol kills a young mentally disturbed girl. etc. I'm not sure what the FCC rules are specifically related to Cable TV but IIRC it's very dubious on how they can apply them.

It's interesting for example that comedy central bleeps out when Jon Stewart uses profanity but AMC wrote into dialogue when Carl calls religious beliefs [the after life to Carol regarding Sophioa ], "a bunch of shit."
 
Because the whackjob religious right has no problems with swearing or violence, the more guns and guts, the better. But if there's a nip slip, you get a public outcry and demand for burkas for all...

:lol: Probably so. I just about fell over the other day when I was reading about some religious fruitcake who was absoluatly convinced that the hit song in the film Frozen, - "let it go," - was a veiled attempt by Disney to indoctrinate children that being gay was OK. :wtf:


well, there's also the fact that the violence is fake (as we see in The Talking Dead how they do decapitations, for example). Nudity isn't fake. It might not be the main actress's body, but it IS someone's body.


^That's some pretty crazy false equivalence you got going on there.
 
^That's some pretty crazy false equivalence you got going on there.

Nudity in TWD probably for the most part doesn't fit the dialogue and/or the storyline - except - they could have been a little more risque with some of the sexual encounters Maggie and Glenn have had.
 
I think it would be hard to do nudity when people are doing it discreetly in their sleeping bags. And I don't get the impression that many people even are doing it. Romance has never been the focus of the show.
 
well, there's also the fact that the violence is fake (as we see in The Talking Dead how they do decapitations, for example). Nudity isn't fake. It might not be the main actress's body, but it IS someone's body.

Well true. But the show has taken some big risks with I'd think some very dicey scenes. e.g. Carl kills his mother. Carol kills a young mentally disturbed girl. etc. I'm not sure what the FCC rules are specifically related to Cable TV but IIRC it's very dubious on how they can apply them.

It's interesting for example that comedy central bleeps out when Jon Stewart uses profanity but AMC wrote into dialogue when Carl calls religious beliefs [the after life to Carol regarding Sophioa ], "a bunch of shit."

In fact, they used "shit" on Helix on Syfy last week as well. Comedy Central usually beeps it on Jon Stewart, yet Colbert had Pink sing that one song that says it constantly without bleeping so I guess they choose to do so contextually?

Comedy Central will also show movies after 1AM with completely uncensored language (including the "F-word") but they will blur any hint of nipple or butt crack. Funny world we live in.

There are no FCC rules regarding Cable TV (well, outside of hardcore porn -- maybe, their web site is kind of vague there). In fact, network TV after 10PM should be able to show it without problem either though they haven't been running to do so yet.

Discovery Channel shows Naked and Afraid with uncensored rear views but censored front views. Again, funny world we live in (or should that be country?). TCM, IFC, MGM, Fox Movies and more show movies completely uncensored despite not being premium cable. BBC America used to but doesn't anymore. Anyway bottom line is that cable TV can but often does not show nudity.

Also, I've seen light frilly daytime TV shows show clips of Maggie sticking a knife into a zombie's brain. Again, funny...
 
Well maybe that was the big twist with Bob. He was a character designed to make us not trust him and to wonder about his ulterior motives and dark secrets (remember, some folks thought he was the one that would let the Governor into the prison)

I think a lot of people were just making speculation based on the comics, since in there Bob was from Woodbury and helped heal the governor after Michonne tortured him. I kinda like that he wasn't affiliated like that in the show. I wish the show would deviate from the comics a little bit more, but it seems like this year they've done a lot more course correcting, whether it makes sense or not.
 
It's interesting for example that comedy central bleeps out when Jon Stewart uses profanity but AMC wrote into dialogue when Carl calls religious beliefs [the after life to Carol regarding Sophioa ], "a bunch of shit."

In fact, they used "shit" on Helix on Syfy last week as well. Comedy Central usually beeps it on Jon Stewart, yet Colbert had Pink sing that one song that says it constantly without bleeping so I guess they choose to do so contextually?

Dallas on TNT uses it too.

Yet reruns of L&O: SVU on USA started bleeping (or at least blanking) certain words. Also blurring certain shots ... like female nudity above the waist and from the rear. Can't possibly show any hint of a curve in front, can we? I don't think they've always done it, either. I only started noticing it a few months ago. And I don't think they consistently do it even now. Maybe it depends on how puritanical the person is who mans the Censor button that shift. Or maybe it depends on the time of day it's shown.

Regardless of the answer, this is more perplexing than most censorship, and it's more perplexing than the usual double standard re. sex/violence here in the U.S. The perplexing part is this:
It. Is. A. Show. About. Sex. Crimes. You can't get away from that no matter how many words you censor. How can USA think the theme of the show is okay but the content isn't? I can rationalize an awful lot of things — but in what context can that possibly make sense? :wtf: :vulcan: :confused:
 
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