Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

With further research I came across this page which referenced the that Walking Dead episode and people (who watch too much tv) concerned with having to line there house with subnuclear shielding because they lived next to a CDC building:

 

Coulson, Garrett and their teams didn't have official sanction for this mission. It was a completely unauthorized, personal mission that was undertaken while they were all disobeying orders. They can't hide behind national security for this one.

 

Didn't Nick Fury break into Tony Starks home after the credits of Iron Man (and Coulson broke into his tower in the Avengers)? If you haven't gotten it by now, S.H.I.E.L.D. is above the law.

 

Why would you think that?

This was a facility that SHIELD used in the past, filled with SHIELD doctors working to save an injured SHIELD operative. If it was a HYDRA facility, what, you think Fury was like "yo, thanks for the help dawg, take care!" and just left the place after using it?

The place was clearly more like Area 51. Ultra top secret and outside the knowledge of all but he highest of the highest government types, hence it being only hinted at in a rating 10 document that Coulson never should have had to begin with. They had to hack into SHIELD's system and find the place through, yes you guessed it, even more illegal means to find the location. Which, incidentally, was in SHIELD's systems; not the best place for HYDRA to hide one of their best kept secrets, is it?

In fact, there weren't even hints that this place was some criminal underground lair of some nefarious organization. It had "secret government facility" written all over it. As it should since it was housing an alien, complete with failsafes clearly designed to contain that alien.

 

I still say it was a S.W.O.R.D. facility.

 

That must have been a tough search.

 

You made me laugh.

Paxton would have made a good Nick Fury. All he was lacking in this episode was a eypatch.

 

Chloe Bennett telling an interviewer about an upcoming guest, but not revealing who the guest is.

Apparently, it will be Fan-pleaser.

 

Murder is not a technicality.

My sympathy ends at murder.

I have never read these thousands of stories you speak of. If you have I strongly advise you to stop.

 

If they hadn't been breaking and entering, it would clearly constitute self-defense, because they only returned fire to save their own lives (and pursue their mission to save Skye's life) when they were fired upon.

But if, as you say, most people don't have the right to fire automatic weapons at intruders on their property, then it's quite possible the Guest House people were committing a crime as well. So that might cancel out. There are more mitigating circumstances on the Bus team's side than the Guest House's side, because the former were trying to save a life and were forced into a firefight against their wishes, while the latter were trying to cover up their secrets with deadly force.

 

By all evidence and simple logic, this was a government or military black site, and Coulson was committing serious crimes (accessing classified material, ordering others to do the same, plus the murder of government/military men protecting their charge) just by being at the site, all while already in hot water for disobeying orders and demonstrating that he's gone rogue. There was no evidence that this was an illegal facility, just one being kept quiet. There was no evidence that it belonged to some evil organization bent on world domination, it was being used by SHIELD with SHIELD doctors to save a SHIELD agent's life, and if it had been some evil orgnaization, they sure as shit wouldn't have just turned it back over to them when they were done.

Fuck, just walk onto any open military base like Fort Benning or something, pull out a pistol, and start shooting guards because they're blocking you from getting whatever the hell you want. See how long you last before getting shot between the eyes, then see who gets in trouble for being on which side of the fence.

Hell, even in the show's universe, try walking onto the Bus with some buddies because you want to get what's left of the GH-253 (or whatever the number was) so you can save your sick grandmother. See if you don't get your heads blown off even in that situation, too. "Mah granny's sick! She's sick, I tells ya! Ignore the black armor and automatic weapons I'm packin', it's all inconsequential, I's assures ya!" <BANG, you just shot out the one camera they had aimed at you, then storm up the ramp with your buddies coming in hot and waving their guns all around, ready to shoot at the drop of a hat> "I jus' came cause mah granny's in a WHOLE lot o' pains! (Quick, Bob, while I have them distracted, break into their security system and take it all down.) Oh Lordy, she's sooo sick, please halp!!!"

Seriously, how dense can some people be?

 

As we learned in Hickman's Secret Warriors, SHIELD and Hydra are the same thing, they just don't realize it.

 

I haven't read it in years, but basically Nick Fury found out that SHIELD and Hydra were both part of the same vast conspiracy that was running the world. But of course only a couple of people at the top knew it. Baron Von Strucker knew it. Fury didn't, despite being the Director of SHIELD for all those decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_warriors

 

This is the part your not processing.

Coulson and his team did break in. He went from asking to assaulting. He is a trained agent. He knew this would bring on a fire-fight. He is responsible for everything that followed.
When you instigate a fight, they fight back, and you kill them Guess what! You're a murderer.

And of course the guards would not have returned fire, if Coulson didn't break in. They would have no freaking reason to do so.