Star Trek Into Darkness and the 4th wall

And a whole lot of Berman Trek.

 

I just have to say, anyone who thinks Khan goes over the top in ID really, really needs to watch TWoK again.

Going over the top is what Khan's all about. At least, it is once you've pissed him off.

 

Yes I am guessing you right. Is not about Spock's reaction that I frowned upon. I just wished he didn't scream Khan or they did noy re-act the death scene from WOK.


Kirk should have died differently.

 

Okay. Whatever.

Dramatically this scene/yell works better here than the original in TWOK where Khan reacts with almost orgasmic pleasure.

 

With Generations and Nemesis close ties for first.

 

I'd say half of the film series, maybe a little more.

 

Someone has to say it: It all sucks. Let's close up shop and go home.

 

"Space Seed" is better than any of the films.

*drops mic*

 

Did so just recently, actually. Montalban's performance in TWoK is larger-than-life but consistent, and all of a piece; Khan as conceived by STiD alternates a bit awkwardly between laser-focused badass and brief flashes of scenery-munching UberEvil. I feel like direction was the problem there, Cumberbatch is certainly himself capable in theory of matching up with Montalban scene-for-scene if he was asked to.

 

I love Montalban's performance in TWOK.

"In my judgment, you simply have no alternative." Smirk.

 

I really got nothing from Cumberbatch in this one. It's like the filmmakers thought "you have a spooky voice, let's go with that!"

 

I liked both performances.

 

My favorite Khan is Space Seed. Subtle, nuanced, insane.

 

I actually think Khan was only playing nice in Space Seed because he needed the crew to operate the Enterprise, if he could have done it without them he probably would have just killed everyone.

Which I think makes Into Darkness a nice companion piece to Space Seed by showing that a Khan who knew everything he need to to run a federation starship and doesn't have any reason what so ever to play nice with the Enterprise crew can be a pretty ruthless bastard.

 

Anything is possible, but Space Seed does not really give us any reason to believe this and several reasons to believe the opposite. It mostly presents Khan as someone who is driven to dominate, and thrives on dominating, "lesser" breeds of men. Simply killing everyone would deprive him of an opportunity to do so, and if he in fact was a character who got off on just killing everyone his relationship with McGivers -- and his choice to sustain it even after she'd ceased to be of use -- would make no sense.

 

Thinking about it, it's more plausible than Kirk and company discovering one of the despots leading half of the world for decades in Space Seed and having no idea who he is. Even more so when the crew later acknowledge he was their favourite among the despots.

Harrison: My name is.... NAPOLEON!
Kirk: [blank stare] Who?... Look, I don't really care what's your name, hon, tell me why DID YOU KILL CHRISTOPHER YOU SON OF A BITCH

 

I wonder if there is a blooper reel somewhere where he says.. My name is.. SHERLOCK.

 

No he didn't. His eyeline is slightly to camera right.

 

He's just breaking the fifth wall by talking to that invisible guy sitting next to you.

 

Accordingly, I've read that this sort of thing is referred to as leaning on the fourth wall, not breaking it.