My Grievances of Nutrek. What makes me a hater...

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And what do you suppose might have made it seem like a relatively "adult" sci-fi drama?

 

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Umm... the themes of the show. Not slavish adherence to military minutiae that no one cares about. People love to get lost in drama, not minutiae.

 

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Which was the exploration of space by a broadly believable semi-military organization, with a Captain modelled after Horatio Hornblower.

Right again! Believability was not about slavish adherence to minutiae. Not that we've been discussing any such thing. If someone comes along to tell you that the Enterprise didn't have enough noncoms or technically correct Naval salutes, you should feel free to tell them they're wrong.

 

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In universe, there is nothing to me that is out of place in the promotion of Jim Kirk to Captain. I've seen a Starfleet that has done many, many things that kill any attempt to try and compare it to a modern military.

It's not the way I would've handled it had I been writing, but I'm not the one writing the Trek films and it didn't hamper my enjoyment of the Abrams films.

 

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While it sort of seems to me like you're contradicting yourself, here, we all contain multitudes. If it didn't bother you, that's your business! That is perfectly cool by me.

How many times have I "left" this thread, now. This time, really! I'm really going.

 

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And this is, quite frankly, wrong.

Star Trek would've never existed if Roddenberry had lived in a time where he could write about things like war and poverty and racial tensions without being censored.

It was the exploration of us.

 

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That too, indisputably.

 

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Roddenberry paid lip service to to this, but the show itself doesn't contain very much of it, there are contemporary shows which were even more progressive (I Spy for one), and I suspect Gene was exaggerating this aspect in retrospect because it made for good theater.

 

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You may want to re-read what you're replying to for context. I'm having trouble make sense of this as a response.

None of the actions of any of these characters are comparable in any way to the example you're replying to? Are you perhaps cross-posting from the Admiral Marcus thread by accident? Honest question.

 

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Kirk's entire graduating class had their commissions activated because of the Vulcan Crisis, including Kirk who is listed as a Lieutenant.

 

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No, that was part of the setting. The theme was exploring the issues facing modern humanity in SF setting.( which would allow for more freedom that setting it currently) The space ship, aliens and technology was just a frame to hang that on.

 

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Right. It's a category of trainee that doesn't get promoted to command flagships right out of the gate. We have indeed been through this already.

Nerys, however, claims that all their commissions were "activated" at some point in the proceedings. Maybe that's true, if so I certainly missed it.

Really? I thought that's what your previous comment about "this isn't your father's Trek" was supposed to be responding to? (Which was confusing in its own right, since you must surely realize that if believability were this funky thing for old people that went out of fashion forty years ago and has no relevance for SF today, you would never have conversations like this?)

I don't see how the list of characters you provided has anything to do with people behaving in completely unbelievable ways either, the reason I asked about the Admiral Marcus thread is that your reply would only be relevant if I were one of the people attacking Admiral Marcus as an unbelievable character. It has nothing to do with anything I've said here.

 

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That would be the part where they're all assigned ships and change into active duty uniforms.

There is an somewhat ambiguous line in WNMHGB that implies Prime Kirk held the rank of Lieutenant while at the Academy/

 

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Right. So that... sort of helps, I guess? Getting the cap's chair a couple of days from graduation as a battlefield promotion is... kind of? More believable? By a bit?

I guess that at least puts it in just the same category of silliness as "demoting" Kirk to the role "for which he has shown unswerving ability" in STIV, if that floats one's boat. Sure.

 

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Talking about the commissions, not the promotion. Not every post is about that.

 

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Well, since I was talking about the commissions in relation to the promotions, I hope you won't mind too much my referencing the original context.

 

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Since you phrased it like I was trying to use it in support the idea of the promotion, yeah I do mind.

The part of your post I quoted was about the commissions and when they happened. I clarified that for you and you got all snarky in response.