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Sexual harassment at SF cons

it's why I hate cons, I'm not too...good...with large crowds, but I'm the intimidating looking guy in my circle of friends so I end up going as a perv deflector
I'm pretty shite with huge crowds as well, but I ended up learning how to really enjoy cons. The solution: full mask cosplay. I just went into full on actor mode and sank into the character when I was Zoidberg. I loved doing that. It didn't matter that I sweated away like ten pounds in three days due to that mask. I loved it.
 
it's why I hate cons, I'm not too...good...with large crowds, but I'm the intimidating looking guy in my circle of friends so I end up going as a perv deflector
I'm pretty shite with huge crowds as well, but I ended up learning how to really enjoy cons. The solution: full mask cosplay. I just went into full on actor mode and sank into the character when I was Zoidberg. I loved doing that. It didn't matter that I sweated away like ten pounds in three days due to that mask. I loved it.

It's hard to explain and something I don't like to talk about, so lets just say that that isn't a viable solution for me
 
I haven't read the whole thread, just skimmed it since I have so much to catch up on. But in case it hasn't been mentioned, it's difficult to find non-sexy feminine outfits. I have a friend in CA who is really into cons and wants to meet up at one sometime, but I have no idea who I'd go as. It would be fun to dress up as a female character but most of the ones I like have pretty skimpy outfits.

There's also the idea of wanting positive and not negative attention. But if you're a woman and you alter the costume so it's a less-sexy version or do something less gendered, you'll probably not get attention.
 
Make your own.

I go as a Romulan (if I dress) and ain't nothing showing there as their costumes cover it all.

But it's great fun to say scathing things to Klingons that I walk past. :D
 
No need to jump on my back. Maybe I could have put my thoughts into words better, I wasn't excusing any kind of harassment but pointing out unwanted attention should be expected. I get the feeling these incidents at cons are pretty rare.

Not as rare as one might hope. I had to convene an emergency 3AM meeting during a con about five years ago when we got a report of a sexual harrassment. (The person's membership was revoked following the meeting.)

The thing is, I think that probably a significant percentage of incidents get brushed off by the person on the receiving end as part of the environment of fandom, and so we never hear about them. I want to see that attitude stop. I want people who feel that they've been harrassed or assaulted to come and find a committee member, and tell us about it, so that we can do something about it.

I admit, I've done things at cons that some people would probably give me the side-eye about - but I only do it when I know the other person well and know that they'll take it in a playful spirit.

For instance: I have a friend - who's straight, with a girlfriend (whom I have known longer than I've known him) - with whom I have a ritual. Whenever we see each other, we hug with one hand, and grab each other's ass with the other. Someone who didn't know either of us might see it and think it was a situation where unwanted contact was being made. For us, it's just fun (he's actually complained when I haven't grabbed him - and one time, when he used the wrong hand and grabbed my wallet, he made sure to switch hands and grab the other side :) ).

I wouldn't do that to someone I've just met, of course. (Okay, I admit to that time at DragonCon, four years ago, when I started making out with a guy at a dance. But in my defense, we'd been hanging out for three days at that point, his roommate - who'd introduced us - was one of my Fairy Godsons, and we dated for a year and a half after that, so obviously he didn't mind toooooo much. ;))

Organizers really can't police everyone.

They are expected to hold an event that is safe for everyone to attend. So yes, they should be policing and taking care of situations like these. And they should have policies in place that deal immediately with people who violate the law.

We do our best, but as Sir Humphrey Appleby once put it - "CBE, Prime Minister. Can't Be Everywhere." If we get conflicting reports, or there are no reliable witnesses, it's hard to do anything about it.

I haven't read the whole thread, just skimmed it since I have so much to catch up on. But in case it hasn't been mentioned, it's difficult to find non-sexy feminine outfits.

Make your own! :) It's a lot of work, but judging by my costumer friends, it appears to be incredibly rewarding. (And I have one female friend who has built her own Stormtrooper armour - which is the antithesis of "sexy". Unless you have a very odd fetish. ;) )
 
There are subtle ways to make things less sexy if you feel uncomfortable in sexy outfits. Instead of seethrough stockings you can wear tights under a TOS female suit thing. Wear your hair in a neat bun or ponytail, avoid the "just had sex" hair. And don't wear sexy lipstick. And don't dress up as one of the characters who are.. uuh.. "beloved" by the male fans. :P
But this is only if you are uncomfortable with looking sexy ofc. Everyone is allowed to look sexy if they want to! And being sexy doesn't give anyone the right to touch them.
 
I duinno, I've been to cons and seen the costumes and I'll admit to looking. Leering? Not exactly but sometimes it can be hard not to.

And how do you behave at the beach?

Not a lot of beaches in Kansas.

Not the point of the question, and you know it. Feel free to replace with [pool, lake, reservoir, pond, quarry, river, etc].

And if you're going to be pedantic to avoid the question, at least be right. Plenty of beaches in Kansas, just of the lake variety vice ocean beaches. If you want to go SUPER-pedantic and argue they don't really 'count' as 'real' beaches, ok, but for the purposes of the question about sexy women in skimpy outfits laying on the sand, they count just fine...
 
I haven't read the whole thread, just skimmed it since I have so much to catch up on. But in case it hasn't been mentioned, it's difficult to find non-sexy feminine outfits. I have a friend in CA who is really into cons and wants to meet up at one sometime, but I have no idea who I'd go as. It would be fun to dress up as a female character but most of the ones I like have pretty skimpy outfits.

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Kaylee comes to mind, I'm not quite sure why, though ;)
 
I'm not into dressing up, though I have family members that do for pretty much all occasions (our christmas is considered a cosplay opportunity, people bring multiple outfits). I like being in an observer position rather than a participator in pretty much everything, but someday I plan to dress up just to see how the con experience is different that way. I'll probably come across the perfect costume and that will suck me in. I can't do a starfleet costume (thought I have the boots, the tricorder, other assorted props..) because I have political objections to starfleet :lol:

Oh and if you feel uncomfortable with the skimp element of characters Kestra you can always gender bend and go as a female version of a male character. Lots of women playing The Doctor as a for instance, no metal bikini's required.
 
Bad enough to get groped by some creep to start with, even worse if said mouthbreather is dressed up in full Klingon garb.
 
it's why I hate cons, I'm not too...good...with large crowds, but I'm the intimidating looking guy in my circle of friends so I end up going as a perv deflector


I actually steer clear of nice looking ladies in cosplay because I know I'm as ugly as hell. As a favor to them.
 
When I go to cons I talk to anybody that catches my eye and tell them they look great.

I have heard some awful hostility at cons directed towards cos players by people not dressed up. Why they bother going to cons I don't know.
 
Are most of these touchy-feely types adolescent males? My usual method when spotting an attractive woman at a con was to stand at least 50 feet away and take discreet ogling glances.

My ex-wife however, once had to deal with this problem when she worked at a high school, but it was from one of the male teachers who was over 40. Apparently he did it with female teachers and students alike, she said. But sexual harassment suits were rare or unheard of in the early 70s, and the guy was tenured, so nothing would have come of it.
 
If I were to take a guess at it, it would be undersexed, overstimulated guys who are used to getting women exactly how they want them via their internet connection. Over that connection, they can choose the shape, size, color, disposition, and personality, and that construct will automatically like them because they are paid or programmed to like them. These same guys take this perception with them into every day life, and figure they can just treat women the same as they do their constructs, and they can't, so it becomes a disconnect. I mean, he can call the girl having sex on camera a hot piece of ass, but the girl in the command gold standing in line in front of him doesn't like it? Why the hell not? Bitches love it when I call them dirty names!
 
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