Shilliam Watner
Commander
I have a question. Did Cupcake survive in the firefight with the Klingons? I watched but everything happened so fast in the action, I never saw what happened to him.
STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]
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I've been looking at it (your avatar) over time. I think today is when it finally clicked after staring at it for a couple of minutes.
Oddly enough, my wife (never a Trek fan at all) had no problem with TFF. She thought it had some very good moments and "liked it fine." So here I am at dinner after the movie, the one who's been a fervent Trek fan since the late-1960s, and I'm the one explaining to her why it was such a bad movie and she shouldn't like it. Go figure.
Makes me wonder if their first pick for the role (Benicio del Toro?), could have pulled it off as well as Cumberbatch did.
I try very hard not to let myself "talk" myself into NOT liking something.
I just go with my first impressions and hang onto them for dear life no matter what I hear or read...
Letting Logic dictate my entertainment choices, usually results in me missing a fun time.
How very much like TOS of it, to have such a metaphor.
Chu'lak
Lieutenant
Yep, they both did. Cuz they took off their red shirts
Poor Chekov and his look of terror
Yeah, I enjoyed this aspect of the film. I thought it was explicit but not overbearing.
There were several lines I'd hope they would have lifted from the original "Space Seed" episode. When Khan says his name to Kirk, if only Kirk could have said, "Khan, nothing else?"
McCoy has a line in that episode that's my all-time favorite.
"Well, either choke me or cut my throat, make up your mind."
But the plot didn't really call for that line anyplace.
McCoy has a line in that episode that's my all-time favorite.
"Well, either choke me or cut my throat, make up your mind."
But the plot didn't really call for that line anyplace.
Yep, they both did. Cuz they took off their red shirts
Poor Chekov and his look of terror
Back before his chewing out by Pike, didn't Kirk brag to Spock that he hadn't lost a crewman the entire year he was in command? Cupcake should've been the first. Oh, well.
Very TOS, but I don't think it can be called a metaphor or even an allegory - can it? A remote missile is a remote missile rather than symbolically representing...a remote missile.
In discussing it with a buddy of mine, we both agreed that it may have been cooler had they awoken someone else out of stasis rather than Khan. Even though it is an alternate reality, seriously, what were the chances they awaken the same person as Kirk did?
Personally, if they had awoken someone else, it would have been surreal if when the camera panned over the rest of the others in stasis, if we did see someone that looked like Ricardo. My gripe was just, from the time the Botany Bay was in space, it shouldn't have been affected by the changes in the realities, so theoretically, shouldn't Khan resemble his TOS counterpart? I wouldn't mind, it was just that Cumberbatch, to me, doesn't have any sort of resemblance to Montalban. Plus he speaks with a British accent, but, hey, that's just me.
Personally, if they had awoken someone else, it would have been surreal if when the camera panned over the rest of the others in stasis, if we did see someone that looked like Ricardo. My gripe was just, from the time the Botany Bay was in space, it shouldn't have been affected by the changes in the realities, so theoretically, shouldn't Khan resemble his TOS counterpart? I wouldn't mind, it was just that Cumberbatch, to me, doesn't have any sort of resemblance to Montalban. Plus he speaks with a British accent, but, hey, that's just me.
If they're going to do "Space Seed" I'd have felt cheated if it were anyone but Kha-a-a-a-a-a-an!
He actually has differentiated himself from Bush. We are now shipping arms to our enemies, we are using drones more often to wack a terrorist than capturing them for intelligence purposes. There are more drone strikes under Obama then Bush, and Obama has no problem using them against citizens without due process. So there are big big differences if you pay attention.
I am glad Trek has gone back to doing social commentary, it throws the ideas out there, you don't have to agree with it, but it throws the questions out there for it to be discussed.
-Chris
When Kirk screamed at Khan I actually thought he was going to say "You are a terrorist!" Using the word "criminal" instead appears to have been a deliberately alternate choice of phrasing.
I agree. Khan was just a nod to the Star Trek fans that wanted to see him. He's really a bland character that could've been played by any superman. They could've done this story with anyone in the 23rd century on another planet. Aided in help from an alien race that hasn't evolved to the point humans have. A little makeup on the British guy, and a completely different movie.
Very TOS, but I don't think it can be called a metaphor or even an allegory - can it? A remote missile is a remote missile rather than symbolically representing...a remote missile.
They just didn't use the word "drone", IIRC. But, yeah, I puzzled over that before I wrote it: those were 23rd century magic fantasy torpedoes, as opposed to Hellfires. If allegory and metaphor aren't words for it, what is?
I agree that is in the film. I just think there's no one who gives a good argument for the better angels of our nature. Everyone acts terribly (not the actors' craft, but the character's choices). And saying what should be done at the end, doesn't do it for me. I think it asks an important question, but it's not fully fleshed out because we don't have 4 hours and there's an action movie to make! I think it could've been done better. Good Trek, good effort, but not done well enough for me to see this movie over and over again.
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