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The lack of realism in star trek is seriously insulting

I expect some crazy science from Star Trek because it is, after all, science fiction.

Having quiet explosions because there's no sound in space it would look so much more boring.

On the other hand, the "Jump the Shark" type science, that's a great point.

Like travelling beyond warp 10 and turning into a reptile (and then have the doctor magically turn you back into human)

Because travelling really fast accelerates evolution :lol:

Or how about going to up to any alien computer and knowing exactly how to read the panel, use it, and then gain complete access. That does kind of strain credibility.

Voyager is the all time greatest offender, but the other shows had some crazy science ideas;

TOS-Spock's Brain

TNG- intelligent sand, an intelligent giant crystal, Troi, who can sense thoughts up to several miles away, aliens with teeth so large they can barely close their mouths.

And going to up to any alien computer and knowing exactly how to read the panel, use it, and then gain complete access

DS9 -the Founders are interesting, but physics-wise, they couldn't possible exist and do what they do.

The science is almost stupid, yet still fascinating to watch.
 
There is actually some basis IRL for "polarizing the hull plating" - but with ceramics not metal. I guess "Electrify the ceramic plates!" sounds even worse, though...
 
^ I realize that; it's a good point and it's cool. But I don't recall that it served any function other than poor man's deflector shields, which really drove home the self-parody angle with me.
 
If Star Trek drove for total realism, it'd just be about people on a sublight vessel on a one-way trip talking about going to a planet that they will never live to see themselves with most of the stories centering about keeping their ship running with the rest being straight uip daytime soap opera stuff about who is sleeping with who, who is backstabbing who, and who the hell is this baby's daddy.

I'd rather take idealistic Trek.

With suspended animation, they could live to see their destination and many others, it doesn't violate the laws of physics.
 
It could be realer. I think the new Battlestar Galactica is a good example..

Contrary to popular belief, BSG did not go around killing its main cast on a regular basis. Indeed, out of the entire main cast, the only one killed was Starbuck, and she was brought back two or three episodes later.

True, BSG had a secondary cast that carried as much resonance with the audience as the main cast, but even they were safe. Most of the secondary characters that were killed died in the final season, and mainly served as a means of providing closure for those characters. Four notable secondary characters died in the first three season: Crashdown, Billy, Ellen Tigh, and Kat. Crashdown and Billy were killed because the actors wanted to move on, Ellen was later brough back. Kat was the only one that died to serve a story.

Just because someone is a main character doesn't mean he can't be killed, that should be in each actors contract,

The point of the contract is to guarantee the actor work for a period of time. It wouldn't serve it purpose if it said "this contract is active for five years but should the writers want to kill your character any time before that, they can." No actor would sign that, and with no actors you'd have problems getting the show going. Would you sign a contract promising you work for five years unless someone decides to fire you to serve other interests?

If the actors continued to get paid after their characters were killed, because the contract specified that, those actors could get another job and earn extra income on top of that. I think some actors would go for that, and it might be worth the extra cost out of the extra suspense the uncertainty would generate. Also in BSG, the boundaries between secondary and primary actors weren't all that clear, and at least once secondary actor ended up as a primary actor in the series.

With Star Trek, if someone shows up on the landing party and you've never seen him before, you know something is going to happen to him. In Battlestar Galactica, the secondary actors might be around for several episodes before they are sacrificed or perhaps not, Star Trek does it all in one episode. The audience sees a character they've never seen before and they are dead before the end of the show, these also also known as "Red Shirts" due to the tendency in the original series for them to be wearing red shirts indicating that they were extras to be sacrificed.
 
If Star Trek drove for total realism, it'd just be about people on a sublight vessel on a one-way trip talking about going to a planet that they will never live to see themselves with most of the stories centering about keeping their ship running with the rest being straight uip daytime soap opera stuff about who is sleeping with who, who is backstabbing who, and who the hell is this baby's daddy.

I'd rather take idealistic Trek.

With suspended animation, they could live to see their destination and many others, it doesn't violate the laws of physics.

Virtuality was a good twist on it. Everyone was going into hypersleep but they were plugged into a virtual world to keep their brains active while they travelled.
 
If the actors continued to get paid after their characters were killed, because the contract specified that, those actors could get another job and earn extra income on top of that. I think some actors would go for that, and it might be worth the extra cost out of the extra suspense the uncertainty would generate.

Cotinue to pay an actor after they've been let go? No studio would go for that. A studio's goal is to save money whereever possible. You don't save money by paying an actor that has left the show.

Also in BSG, the boundaries between secondary and primary actors weren't all that clear, and at least once secondary actor ended up as a primary actor in the series.

The boundaries between primary and secondary were pretty damn clear: the primaries were in the opening credits, the secondaries were not. No one was promoted from secondary to main cast. In fact, BSG's main cast stayed consistent throughout the entire run, with the exception of the three episodes they didn't have Katee Sackhoff listed.

With Star Trek, if someone shows up on the landing party and you've never seen him before, you know something is going to happen to him. In Battlestar Galactica, the secondary actors might be around for several episodes before they are sacrificed or perhaps not, Star Trek does it all in one episode. The audience sees a character they've never seen before and they are dead before the end of the show, these also also known as "Red Shirts" due to the tendency in the original series for them to be wearing red shirts indicating that they were extras to be sacrificed.

Even BSG had characters who were basically just sacrificial lambs in the episodes they were introduced in. Every show has such characters. To put an end to this trope would mean a radical transformation of the television industry which would just not be practical.
 
Why didn't he come up with a one syllable word to yell. PLATES!!!!! It sounded ridiculous.

I don't know, I wish a smartass tactical officer just once snapped back "Good thing you told me to raise shields, I was just going to keep letting them shoot at us until you said something."
 
A studio might have to pay an actor to get rid of them earlier, than they could i.e Buy out the contract. It would all depend on the exact wording of the contract.

Besides there is nothing to stop a studio getting actors to sign a five year contract, with a pick-up clause at the end of each year.

I.e the sutdio can get rid of the actor at the end of every year if they wanted to.
 
Why didn't he come up with a one syllable word to yell. PLATES!!!!! It sounded ridiculous.

I don't know, I wish a smartass tactical officer just once snapped back "Good thing you told me to raise shields, I was just going to keep letting them shoot at us until you said something."

:lol:

I always think that.. and you have to wait for your captain to say raise shields? Half a second delay could mean the difference between getting blown up or not blown up. Surely that should be the call of the tactical officer.
 
A studio might have to pay an actor to get rid of them earlier, than they could i.e Buy out the contract. It would all depend on the exact wording of the contract.

Besides there is nothing to stop a studio getting actors to sign a five year contract, with a pick-up clause at the end of each year.

I.e the sutdio can get rid of the actor at the end of every year if they wanted to.

But all that would mean si that either at the beginning or end of a season we'd be guessing who will or won't make it. Fir the average episodes of a season we'd know that the main cast would still get by okay. Just like Earth Final Conflict.
 
If the actors continued to get paid after their characters were killed, because the contract specified that, those actors could get another job and earn extra income on top of that. I think some actors would go for that, and it might be worth the extra cost out of the extra suspense the uncertainty would generate.

Cotinue to pay an actor after they've been let go? No studio would go for that. A studio's goal is to save money whereever possible. You don't save money by paying an actor that has left the show.

Also in BSG, the boundaries between secondary and primary actors weren't all that clear, and at least once secondary actor ended up as a primary actor in the series.

The boundaries between primary and secondary were pretty damn clear: the primaries were in the opening credits, the secondaries were not. No one was promoted from secondary to main cast.

Karl (Helo) Agathon was a secondary character in the miniseries, his purpose was as a sacrifice to allow Baltar to get on board the Galactica, he originally was a throwaway character, then the writers decided that the story of him stranded on Caprica would be an interesting one, as was given main character status in the series. Karl Agathon lasted even longer that Starbuck and the President of the colonies Laura Rosalyn.

In fact, BSG's main cast stayed consistent throughout the entire run, with the exception of the three episodes they didn't have Katee Sackhoff listed.

With Star Trek, if someone shows up on the landing party and you've never seen him before, you know something is going to happen to him. In Battlestar Galactica, the secondary actors might be around for several episodes before they are sacrificed or perhaps not, Star Trek does it all in one episode. The audience sees a character they've never seen before and they are dead before the end of the show, these also also known as "Red Shirts" due to the tendency in the original series for them to be wearing red shirts indicating that they were extras to be sacrificed.

Even BSG had characters who were basically just sacrificial lambs in the episodes they were introduced in. Every show has such characters. To put an end to this trope would mean a radical transformation of the television industry which would just not be practical.

Yeah they had one-episode throwaway characters on BSG as well, but Star Trek had only those or main characters, nothing inbetween, it didn't have reoccuring minor characters who could be sacrificed should the need arise, BSG did. In Star Trek those "Red Shirts" even if they weren't wearing red shirts stood out too much.

I could just imagine Kirk saying, "Not to worry, we've got plenty of red shirts along, if they surprise attack us, those red shirts act as remarkable phaser magnets, they'll get hit before any of us do."
 
Why didn't he come up with a one syllable word to yell. PLATES!!!!! It sounded ridiculous.

In ancient times, soldiers carried these metal plates around for protection. They called them shields.

So, why not just say "SHIELDS!" Now, granted, they wanted to sound older than TOS. They wanted to audibly depict older tech and they didn't want to confuse the (casual) viewer. Still, a little writing can do that.
 
Why didn't he come up with a one syllable word to yell. PLATES!!!!! It sounded ridiculous.

I don't know, I wish a smartass tactical officer just once snapped back "Good thing you told me to raise shields, I was just going to keep letting them shoot at us until you said something."

:lol:

I always think that.. and you have to wait for your captain to say raise shields? Half a second delay could mean the difference between getting blown up or not blown up. Surely that should be the call of the tactical officer.

Reed Alert. :p
 
If Star Trek drove for total realism, it'd just be about people on a sublight vessel on a one-way trip talking about going to a planet that they will never live to see themselves with most of the stories centering about keeping their ship running with the rest being straight uip daytime soap opera stuff about who is sleeping with who, who is backstabbing who, and who the hell is this baby's daddy.

I'd rather take idealistic Trek.

With suspended animation, they could live to see their destination and many others, it doesn't violate the laws of physics.
They go to sleep at the end of every episode and wake up hundreds of years later just to go to the next star system in the next one. They'd be time travelers more than anything else, continually going thousands and thousands of years further and further into the future every season.
:eek:
 
In the movie, Kirk and Spock board the Romulan ship and take on the entire crew and are successful. Thats casual.

Come the fuck on
 
Karl (Helo) Agathon was a secondary character in the miniseries, his purpose was as a sacrifice to allow Baltar to get on board the Galactica, he originally was a throwaway character, then the writers decided that the story of him stranded on Caprica would be an interesting one, as was given main character status in the series. Karl Agathon lasted even longer that Starbuck and the President of the colonies Laura Rosalyn.

No, Helo was not a main character. Adama, Roslin, Apollo, Starbuck, Baltar, Cylons Numbers Six and Eight were main characters, as they are the ones listed in the show's opening credit sequence. Helo started as a "redshirt" in the mini and then became a secondary character when the show went to series.
 
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