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The lack of realism in star trek is seriously insulting

You guys are getting way too hung up on scientific realism. The original poster didn't express himself very well, but he's not talking about turning Star Trek into some dry hard sci-fi show. He's talking about Star Trek playing it safe and always allowing the good guys to win. Deep Space Nine was the darkest Star Trek we've seen, and even that badly losses to Power Rangers when it comes to consequences for the main cast.

Star Trek has always been, well, with a minor exception of Deep Space Nine, fluff. It worked well for it, but I'll admit to having trouble rewatching the various series after being exposed to shows like Game of Thrones, Farscape, Buffy, or even Stargate.
 
You guys are getting way too hung up on scientific realism. The original poster didn't express himself very well, but he's not talking about turning Star Trek into some dry hard sci-fi show. He's talking about Star Trek playing it safe and always allowing the good guys to win. Deep Space Nine was the darkest Star Trek we've seen, and even that badly losses to Power Rangers when it comes to consequences for the main cast.

Star Trek has always been, well, with a minor exception of Deep Space Nine, fluff. It worked well for it, but I'll admit to having trouble rewatching the various series after being exposed to shows like Game of Thrones, Farscape, Buffy, or even Stargate.
I find I can watch shows with various levels of "realism" and enjoy them. I don't need Star Trek to be Game of Thrones. Or Games of Thrones to be Star Trek. That would be boring. Its okay to have the good guys win in some shows ( and sometime they win, but at a cost)
 
Marshmallows charred black are still marshmallows.

The bad guys winning is just a slightly more sophisticated version of claiming a physical jeopardy is more dramatic if the hero may actually get killed. Real drama comes when a character must make a meaningful choice. Choosing to fight to survive in a physical jeopardy scenario is pretty much a no brainer choice, i.e., marshmallow. In the less simplistic versions, the hero choosing to fight the villains because world-shakingly BAD THINGS will happen is still pretty much a no brainer, again, marshmallow.

Sometimes the objection is misphrased, and the real point is that there is no such thing as a hero, or that cruelty and ruthlessness and assorted vices are somehow necessary, or that human nature means good will never win. These are only better if you buy into the ideological presumptions. Since these presumptions are so ill supported by real life, they are more bad-tempered fantasies that can't evoke a genuine emotional response from normal viewers.
 
A shift in reality is what art is all about, it just depends how you do it and what its purpose is. The purpose of trek is usually to be realistic about humanity, and does that by being unrealistic with humans.
 
The purpose of trek is usually to be realistic about humanity...

I thought the (original) purpose of Trek was to sell RCA color televisions...along with dishwashing soap, automobiles and other consumer items. ;)

Sincerely,

Bill
 
^^^ I understand Gene's ex-wife (who he dumped for Majel) made out pretty good too.

Ah, California's community property laws.

:)
 
I don't mind main character/ship shields.

I do dislike when they dumb down villains so they don't stomp everyone.
 
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