I really don't think he did.
What If ..... Aliens landed and took over the earth
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l was just going to welcome our new alien masters but... this would be fun too. l guess if the opportunity presents itself... awaaaayyyy we go!
And then you would have been punished in a potentially cruel way in 1944 during the Epuration. You would certainly have died wearing a cool uniform. Isn't that great
well i would use the ODESSA network to escape.
For God's sake i am NOT a nazi. A lot of non germans who joined the SS were not Nazis. There were russians,indians and bosnians in the Waffen SS and they were certainly not NAZIS. They joined up because many were POWs who volunteered because of harsh conditions in the POW camps and also they hated the communists and imperialists more than the nazis.
Many citizens in occupied europe had a lousy economic situation going on and many did join the nazis because of that. Some joined because they believed in the nazi ideology and some joined for a paycheck. i am the paycheck type.
and if you were paid to push people off the Golden Gate bridge, you would do it then?
I don't buy what your trying to sale.
Yes he did, he is just not bullshitting himself. Have you actually ever considered that you are responsible for all the actions of your country as a democratic citizen? Most people cannot stand this radical ethical implication of democracy so they bullshit themselves via putting all the blame upon public figures and so on.
EmoBorg is just honest to himself and admits that he would have been a mercenary in this situation. There are worse things under the sun.
There may be worse things, but admitting, and defending the position that you would serve the whim and will of one of the most tyrannical and murderous regimes in all of recorded history, all for a damn payday.
Saying that in some places would, to this day, be hazardous to your long term survival.
Also, if you want to talk about ethical implications, how about this, by him saying that he sees nothing wrong with collaborating with said regime, isn't that also saying, in his eyes, since he can supposedly sympathize with them, that the things this regime did were morally acceptable?
Saying that in some places would, to this day, be hazardous to your long term survival.
Also, if you want to talk about ethical implications, how about this, by him saying that he sees nothing wrong with collaborating with said regime, isn't that also saying, in his eyes, since he can supposedly sympathize with them, that the things this regime did were morally acceptable?
Nah, he's being or ignorant, or naive or something I'm not allowed to say in Misc.
Because apparently he thinks that the SS was a "picking flowers" unit.
Are you actually trying to weigh his honesty as a positive quality against the pathetic admission that he'd join up with the SS just for a paycheck? Seriously? Because if you are, that is one massively warped sense of morality and ethics you have there.
Morality is actually a variable and is not fixed. one of the famous sets of morality laws was the 10 commandments of the jewish torah or old testament as you christians call it. one of the commandments is "thou shall not kill" but if you had to kill one bad guy to save at least one innocent life, will you? if you were onboard on one of those aircraft that were used during the 9/11 event,will you kill the hijackers to prevent the crashing of the aircraft if it comes down to that.
The funny thing is that after moses brings down the 2 tablets from Mount Sinai, he finds some of the jews worshipping a golden calf and moses in anger orders members of the Levi tribe to go and kill the golden calf worshippers. Moses himself was not obeying God's law of "thou shall not kill"
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I never said it was.
Wait..."you Christians"? Art thou referring to me? What gave you the impression that I am Christian? Anyway, moving on.
This is all irrelevant to my point. The logical fallacy you've committed this time is the false analogy, but I'll let that slide, as my point might not have been perfectly clear; I am not referring to the situational morality of the OP, but to the moral comparison you seemed to be making: that honesty about one's motives somehow lessens the wrongness or badness of actively joining the Nazis to make a buck. I just don't think that honesty ranks that high on the morality scale compared to numerous atrocities committed by the Nazis and the SS, and I think anyone who does find them comparable has a warped and misguided sense of morality. Try thinking about it practically and disregarding your philosophy 101 texts for a minute:
Dude #1:I helped to torture and slaughter a bunch of helpless and innocent people for a paycheck!
Dude #2: Well, at least you're honest about your motives! Thumbs up, bro!
What a surprise, a moral inconsistency in the Bible.
Troll. Plain and simple.
how about this, Thou Shall Not Aggrandize those responsible for 50,000,000 Deaths. Morality is fixed to a point, yes, but its not fixed to the point that people wont think your borderline psychotic or Psychopathic for the things youve said.....
how about this, Thou Shall Not Aggrandize those responsible for 50,000,000 Deaths. Morality is fixed to a point, yes, but its not fixed to the point that people wont think your borderline psychotic or Psychopathic for the things youve said.....
I am a progressive guy and quite concerned about the potential reemergence of a fascism in Europe due to the repetition of mistakes from the thirties during this financial crisis. But I will not get a moral erection just because one guy says that he'd have worked for the nazis back in the days and I certainly take his honesty over the BS of all the people who claim that they would be resistance fighters yet have not done one act of resistance (from a state of safety; you are not risking your life when you speak out against corporate oligarchs or torturing presidents) against crimes committed by their government .
You might not like the truth but most people do not give a shit. They want their stomachs full and their feet warm.
In the bible, Moses claimed to have talked to God and he still ordered the deaths of thousands of jews who strayed from their religion by worshipping a golden calf. Didn't Joshua and his army kill many thousands of Canaanites because God told him that he can.
Our source of morality comes from God, but God himself treats morality as a variable.
I dont know, did he? You seem to be the expert here. Maybe alittle unresolved angst toward Christianity, as you are the one who keeps bringing it up. Are you saying God told you that working with the Nazis would have been ok? The People that believed like that in 44-46 got a Bullet or a Neck-Tie.
Maybe you should seek professional help?
Maybe you should seek professional help?
Man, I made a mistake and need to own up to it. With the amount of vacuous crap in this thread I got confused as to whom I was responding to, and in my prior post I mixed up emoborg and horatio83. Sorry about that. Though my case stands.
ETA:This thread was WAY more fun when teacake and I were having lesbian space adventures.
Please apply the response I wrote to emoborg to your argument -- they are, after all, the same argument: honesty balances endless atrocities. Again, if you actually believe this, and are not just saying it because a)You haven't actually thought it through or b)You just want to be contrary because you think it's cool (I suspect it's a combination of the two), then you are severely morally misguided.
ETA:This thread was WAY more fun when teacake and I were having lesbian space adventures.
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You'll get no argument from me!
How can anybody misread a post that starts with an actual concern about fascism?
I am not excusing anything, I am just sick of the wannabe resistance fighters in here who never dared to even fight for the good cause in a democracy where this very fight does not imply that you have to risk your life.
Many people do nasty things for money but unlike you I am not getting a moral erection (kinda useful if this blood stays in your brain) if somebody blunts admits that he is an unethical whore. I do not condone such behaviour (gee, we talk about the political enemy) but among all the people in our world who bullshit themselves in order to not see what they are doing everyday I find the honesty refreshing.
I would fight the aliens. I would join with others willing take up arms. We would kill them, all of them, and steal their tech. Then, we will invade their home world, dismantle their government, destroy their homes, ravaged their lands, and kill them by the millions.
We would make the remaining ones vote to either die at our hands or serve as our slaves. Then, we will slaughter them like animals, regardless of their choice. They will scream, "Oh the humanity" which will mean "Oh the horror" and learn that they are not the evil bastards in this story. BWA HA HA HA HA!
We would make the remaining ones vote to either die at our hands or serve as our slaves. Then, we will slaughter them like animals, regardless of their choice. They will scream, "Oh the humanity" which will mean "Oh the horror" and learn that they are not the evil bastards in this story. BWA HA HA HA HA!
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I'll bite.
I would play along for my own life and family's life-- try to become a high value human enforcer (like the volunteers in nuBSG who helped the Cylon occupation) but try and work as part of the underground resistance movement simultaneously from a position of relative power.
I would play along for my own life and family's life-- try to become a high value human enforcer (like the volunteers in nuBSG who helped the Cylon occupation) but try and work as part of the underground resistance movement simultaneously from a position of relative power.
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