What If ..... Aliens landed and took over the earth

[thestrangequark]

honesty balances endless atrocities. Again, if you actually believe this, and are not just saying it because a)You haven't actually thought it through or b)You just want to be contrary because you think it's cool (I suspect it's a combination of the two), then you are severely morally misguided.

How can anybody misread a post that starts with an actual concern about fascism?
I am not excusing anything, I am just sick of the wannabe resistance fighters in here who never dared to even fight for the good cause in a democracy where this very fight does not imply that you have to risk your life.

Many people do nasty things for money but unlike you I am not getting a moral erection (kinda useful if this blood stays in your brain) if somebody blunts admits that he is an unethical whore. I do not condone such behaviour (gee, we talk about the political enemy) but among all the people in our world who bullshit themselves in order to not see what they are doing everyday I find the honesty refreshing.

Thankfully, as I don't have a dick, I don't have to be concerned about getting one of these "moral erections" you are so fond of. In fact, I'm not bothered by this at all, I just enjoy debating. If you're imagining that I'm getting into a huff over this, then that says a lot more about you than it does about me.
As for misreading, your statements did come off to me as if you were making the same argument as the OP -- the argument I paraphrased -- if that was a misreading on my part then, yeah, my bad. This is an imperfect form of communication, and people misread other people all the time. I still find serious flaws in your stance, however. You seem to be employing special pleading.
Is it correct that you are saying that no one can know what they'd really do in such circumstances, and so to hop on a moral high horse and claim to be a resistance fighter is BS? Because if that is the case then how is the OP's claim that he'd join up any less BS? How does he know if he'd really have the wits, the intelligence, the guts, and the morally void character to sign up with the SS any more than I know I'd have the courage to carry massages for the underground in my shoes? We are all BSing in this thread, obviously...it's about aliens taking over the planet after all. Why does the OP's BS get special treatment? Sure, it's contrarian, and so on the surface may seem refreshing or appealing, but if you actually employ that wonderfully blood-filled brain of yours and think about it, his claim is no more honest than anyone else's here.
Going to bed now, as the sleeping pills are kicking in. It's making it very difficult to type straight, and I've a self-imposed No Posting While Under the INfluence of Ambien rulle to adhere to. Night.

 

[Davros]

I am ready for X Day. I already gave my 35 dollars to the Church Of The Subgenius.
www.subgenius.com

I'll get superpowers while all the people I hate will be destroyed with the other pink dupes of the conspiracy.

 

[horatio83]

honesty balances endless atrocities. Again, if you actually believe this, and are not just saying it because a)You haven't actually thought it through or b)You just want to be contrary because you think it's cool (I suspect it's a combination of the two), then you are severely morally misguided.

How can anybody misread a post that starts with an actual concern about fascism?
I am not excusing anything, I am just sick of the wannabe resistance fighters in here who never dared to even fight for the good cause in a democracy where this very fight does not imply that you have to risk your life.

Many people do nasty things for money but unlike you I am not getting a moral erection (kinda useful if this blood stays in your brain) if somebody blunts admits that he is an unethical whore. I do not condone such behaviour (gee, we talk about the political enemy) but among all the people in our world who bullshit themselves in order to not see what they are doing everyday I find the honesty refreshing.

Thankfully, as I don't have a dick, I don't have to be concerned about getting one of these "moral erections" you are so fond of. In fact, I'm not bothered by this at all, I just enjoy debating. If you're imagining that I'm getting into a huff over this, then that says a lot more about you than it does about me.
As for misreading, your statements did come off to me as if you were making the same argument as the OP -- the argument I paraphrased -- if that was a misreading on my part then, yeah, my bad. This is an imperfect form of communication, and people misread other people all the time. I still find serious flaws in your stance, however. You seem to be employing special pleading.
Is it correct that you are saying that no one can know what they'd really do in such circumstances, and so to hop on a moral high horse and claim to be a resistance fighter is BS? Because if that is the case then how is the OP's claim that he'd join up any less BS? How does he know if he'd really have the wits, the intelligence, the guts, and the morally void character to sign up with the SS any more than I know I'd have the courage to carry massages for the underground in my shoes? We are all BSing in this thread, obviously...it's about aliens taking over the planet after all. Why does the OP's BS get special treatment? Sure, it's contrarian, and so on the surface may seem refreshing or appealing, but if you actually employ that wonderfully blood-filled brain of yours and think about it, his claim is no more honest than anyone else's here.
Going to bed now, as the sleeping pills are kicking in. It's making it very difficult to type straight, and I've a self-imposed No Posting While Under the INfluence of Ambien rulle to adhere to. Night.

People often lie to paint themselves in a good picture but they rarely lie in order to cover up their virtuousness so it is safe to assume that he means what he says.
People who live in a democracy and do not exercise their responsibility and power in order to stop all the bad guys, be it billionaires undermining our democracy, presidents torturing or killing American citizens or whatever ... yet dare to claim that they would risk their lives to fight against nazis or aliens are obviously bullshitting. They would arrange with the powers that be just like they do nowadays.

So yeah, lynch me for daring to point out this bullshit smells to high heaven. The people who do or would actually fight for a just cause just do it and do not talk about it. We view them as heroes precisely because there are so few of them among us.

 

[Thestral]

^ Bless your heart, aren't you just precious?

 

[Deckerd]

This thread is excellent.

 

[Starkers]

i'd be hiding out in the hills and stealing supplies and weapons from their convoys and then planting IEDs and ambushing them and blowing up their propaganda outlets and freeing their slaves Red Dawn style, but with frickin' lasers and shit.

Wolverines!!

I have to say, I am not going up into the hills with charlie Sheen and automatic weapons, I'll take my chances with the aliens!

A lot of non germans who joined the SS were not Nazis.

So what were they? Sorry you put the uniform on, you were a nazi.

The Pope was in the Hitler Youth, he had no choice but to join up. Similarly I'm sure people were conscripted into the SS as they were into any other regiment.

With regards the non Germans I do understand that for a lot of them it was a case of hating the Russians more than the Germans--that said you had to know you weren't signing up for a kind and friendly organisation

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpZ8EkK3eWY[/yt]

With regards to the original post. Yeah in my fantasies I'd be a brave resistance fighter, wresting a blaster rifle from an alien before heading into the hills to join up with Michael Ironside and the rest of the rebels, but in reality I think I'd just keep my head down and carryong on living the best I could, the same as the vast majority would.

Who knows maybe I'd surprise myself. No one can truly know until they're in the position.

 

[captcalhoun]

you're alright, mate, Sheen's hiding out in Colorado's Rockies. I'm hiding out in the Cotswolds!

 

[Starkers]

Doesn't have quite the same ring to it does it!

 

[Gov Kodos]

Doesn't have quite the same ring to it does it!

Holed up next to the DMZ, loony North Koreans to one side, aliens to the other. We're attacking in both directions before the whiskey runs out.

 

[ITL]

Doesn't have quite the same ring to it does it!

Yeah, but would aliens invade a small village in the Cotswolds? One with a vicar on a bicycle on his way to judge a jam making competition at the local townswomens' guild? A place with a multitude of OAPs asleep in front of the telly on a Sunday afternoon in their fluffy slippers and cardies?

A place, in short, where nothing much has happened for a thousand years?

Of course not.

Mind you... if it was a Bodysnatchers style infiltration that worked from within... legions of seemingly normal village folk possessed by nasty alien parasites, hell bent on world domination...

Bugger.

 

[thestrangequark]

How can anybody misread a post that starts with an actual concern about fascism?
I am not excusing anything, I am just sick of the wannabe resistance fighters in here who never dared to even fight for the good cause in a democracy where this very fight does not imply that you have to risk your life.

Many people do nasty things for money but unlike you I am not getting a moral erection (kinda useful if this blood stays in your brain) if somebody blunts admits that he is an unethical whore. I do not condone such behaviour (gee, we talk about the political enemy) but among all the people in our world who bullshit themselves in order to not see what they are doing everyday I find the honesty refreshing.

Thankfully, as I don't have a dick, I don't have to be concerned about getting one of these "moral erections" you are so fond of. In fact, I'm not bothered by this at all, I just enjoy debating. If you're imagining that I'm getting into a huff over this, then that says a lot more about you than it does about me.
As for misreading, your statements did come off to me as if you were making the same argument as the OP -- the argument I paraphrased -- if that was a misreading on my part then, yeah, my bad. This is an imperfect form of communication, and people misread other people all the time. I still find serious flaws in your stance, however. You seem to be employing special pleading.
Is it correct that you are saying that no one can know what they'd really do in such circumstances, and so to hop on a moral high horse and claim to be a resistance fighter is BS? Because if that is the case then how is the OP's claim that he'd join up any less BS? How does he know if he'd really have the wits, the intelligence, the guts, and the morally void character to sign up with the SS any more than I know I'd have the courage to carry massages for the underground in my shoes? We are all BSing in this thread, obviously...it's about aliens taking over the planet after all. Why does the OP's BS get special treatment? Sure, it's contrarian, and so on the surface may seem refreshing or appealing, but if you actually employ that wonderfully blood-filled brain of yours and think about it, his claim is no more honest than anyone else's here.
Going to bed now, as the sleeping pills are kicking in. It's making it very difficult to type straight, and I've a self-imposed No Posting While Under the INfluence of Ambien rulle to adhere to. Night.

People often lie to paint themselves in a good picture but they rarely lie in order to cover up their virtuousness so it is safe to assume that he means what he says.
People who live in a democracy and do not exercise their responsibility and power in order to stop all the bad guys, be it billionaires undermining our democracy, presidents torturing or killing American citizens or whatever ... yet dare to claim that they would risk their lives to fight against nazis or aliens are obviously bullshitting. They would arrange with the powers that be just like they do nowadays.

So yeah, lynch me for daring to point out this bullshit smells to high heaven. The people who do or would actually fight for a just cause just do it and do not talk about it. We view them as heroes precisely because there are so few of them among us.

This is one of the most naive things I have ever read. The fact that no one knows what they'd do in such a scenario until faced with it proves that claiming one would be a hero and claiming one would be a villain are equally invalid as far as honesty is concerned. Also, your statement that "people rarely to cover up their virtuousness" is demonstrably false, both by specific cases and by the fact that we even have multiple common phrases for it, a la "acting tough." Your viewpoint, down to earth as you try to make it sound, is truthfully over-idealistic.

^ Bless your heart, aren't you just precious?

Exactly!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I would be forced to finally reveal my Kryptonian origin and kick the invaders asses.

Next.

 

[horatio83]

Thankfully, as I don't have a dick, I don't have to be concerned about getting one of these "moral erections" you are so fond of. In fact, I'm not bothered by this at all, I just enjoy debating. If you're imagining that I'm getting into a huff over this, then that says a lot more about you than it does about me.
As for misreading, your statements did come off to me as if you were making the same argument as the OP -- the argument I paraphrased -- if that was a misreading on my part then, yeah, my bad. This is an imperfect form of communication, and people misread other people all the time. I still find serious flaws in your stance, however. You seem to be employing special pleading.
Is it correct that you are saying that no one can know what they'd really do in such circumstances, and so to hop on a moral high horse and claim to be a resistance fighter is BS? Because if that is the case then how is the OP's claim that he'd join up any less BS? How does he know if he'd really have the wits, the intelligence, the guts, and the morally void character to sign up with the SS any more than I know I'd have the courage to carry massages for the underground in my shoes? We are all BSing in this thread, obviously...it's about aliens taking over the planet after all. Why does the OP's BS get special treatment? Sure, it's contrarian, and so on the surface may seem refreshing or appealing, but if you actually employ that wonderfully blood-filled brain of yours and think about it, his claim is no more honest than anyone else's here.
Going to bed now, as the sleeping pills are kicking in. It's making it very difficult to type straight, and I've a self-imposed No Posting While Under the INfluence of Ambien rulle to adhere to. Night.

People often lie to paint themselves in a good picture but they rarely lie in order to cover up their virtuousness so it is safe to assume that he means what he says.
People who live in a democracy and do not exercise their responsibility and power in order to stop all the bad guys, be it billionaires undermining our democracy, presidents torturing or killing American citizens or whatever ... yet dare to claim that they would risk their lives to fight against nazis or aliens are obviously bullshitting. They would arrange with the powers that be just like they do nowadays.

So yeah, lynch me for daring to point out this bullshit smells to high heaven. The people who do or would actually fight for a just cause just do it and do not talk about it. We view them as heroes precisely because there are so few of them among us.

This is one of the most naive things I have ever read. The fact that no one knows what they'd do in such a scenario until faced with it proves that claiming one would be a hero and claiming one would be a villain are equally invalid as far as honesty is concerned. Also, your statement that "people rarely to cover up their virtuousness" is demonstrably false, both by specific cases and by the fact that we even have multiple common phrases for it, a la "acting tough." Your viewpoint, down to earth as you try to make it sound, is truthfully over-idealistic.

Not that I expect empirical facts to change your mind ... but where are all the fellows "acting tough", pretending to not give a shit about anything but their well-being? I do not see them posting here, I merely see plenty of people claiming that they would be resistance fighters.
Calling me naive and idealistic is just pure self-irony. I am the realistic guy who points out the BS of wannabe resistance fighters, you are the idealistic guy one who thinks that there are as many wannabe resistance fighters as wannabe nazi/alien collaborators. The fairyworld might work this way but not reality.

 

[Count Zero]

Not that I expect empirical facts to change your mind ... but where are all the fellows "acting tough", pretending to not give a shit about anything but their well-being?

You haven't been on the internet long, have you?

 

[Shaytan]

I merely see plenty of people claiming that they would be resistance fighters.

I never claimed that.

 

[thestrangequark]

People often lie to paint themselves in a good picture but they rarely lie in order to cover up their virtuousness so it is safe to assume that he means what he says.
People who live in a democracy and do not exercise their responsibility and power in order to stop all the bad guys, be it billionaires undermining our democracy, presidents torturing or killing American citizens or whatever ... yet dare to claim that they would risk their lives to fight against nazis or aliens are obviously bullshitting. They would arrange with the powers that be just like they do nowadays.

So yeah, lynch me for daring to point out this bullshit smells to high heaven. The people who do or would actually fight for a just cause just do it and do not talk about it. We view them as heroes precisely because there are so few of them among us.

This is one of the most naive things I have ever read. The fact that no one knows what they'd do in such a scenario until faced with it proves that claiming one would be a hero and claiming one would be a villain are equally invalid as far as honesty is concerned. Also, your statement that "people rarely to cover up their virtuousness" is demonstrably false, both by specific cases and by the fact that we even have multiple common phrases for it, a la "acting tough." Your viewpoint, down to earth as you try to make it sound, is truthfully over-idealistic.

Not that I expect empirical facts to change your mind ...

Boy, you sure have the wrong impression about me. Empirical facts would be the first thing to change my mind: I am a skeptic. You also appear to have a poor understanding of what constitutes empirical facts if you think a handful of posts on a Star Trek forum responding to a hypothetical question about alien invasions are actually representative of society.

but where are all the fellows "acting tough", pretending to not give a shit about anything but their well-being? I do not see them posting here, I merely see plenty of people claiming that they would be resistance fighters.

Where do you live...Mayberry? You've seriously never met someone who tried to put on a tough or cynical facade? Tried to come of as dark or aloof because they thought it made them more interesting? That's adorable!

Calling me naive and idealistic is just pure self-irony. I am the realistic guy who points out the BS of wannabe resistance fighters, you are the idealistic guy one who thinks that there are as many wannabe resistance fighters as wannabe nazi/alien collaborators. The fairyworld might work this way but not reality.

Number one, strawman. Learn your logical fallacies before trying to debate with me. I never alluded to any quantitative comparison between the number of people who claim one position and the number who claim the other. Number 2, you still haven't got the point, have you? The wannabe is the point! It doesn't matter whether someone says they'd be a hero or a villain, as those making either claim are equally ignorant as to what they'd actually do in those circumstances. Therefore, claiming to be the villain is just as much BS as claiming to be the hero, and displays neither side displays any more honesty than the other.

 

[EmoBorg]

Guys & Girls, could we all get back to the topic under discussion here. How would we react under alien rule? As for me i would join the alien labour force and hopefully travel to their home planet or a major colony and get to know more about their culture and technology. Then after years of service, i would find a way to get back to earth and use my new knowledge to help mankind.

 

[horatio83]

This is one of the most naive things I have ever read. The fact that no one knows what they'd do in such a scenario until faced with it proves that claiming one would be a hero and claiming one would be a villain are equally invalid as far as honesty is concerned. Also, your statement that "people rarely to cover up their virtuousness" is demonstrably false, both by specific cases and by the fact that we even have multiple common phrases for it, a la "acting tough." Your viewpoint, down to earth as you try to make it sound, is truthfully over-idealistic.

Not that I expect empirical facts to change your mind ...

Boy, you sure have the wrong impression about me. Empirical facts would be the first thing to change my mind: I am a skeptic. You also appear to have a poor understanding of what constitutes empirical facts if you think a handful of posts on a Star Trek forum responding to a hypothetical question about alien invasions are actually representative of society.

but where are all the fellows "acting tough", pretending to not give a shit about anything but their well-being? I do not see them posting here, I merely see plenty of people claiming that they would be resistance fighters.

Where do you live...Mayberry? You've seriously never met someone who tried to put on a tough or cynical facade? Tried to come of as dark or aloof because they thought it made them more interesting? That's adorable!

Calling me naive and idealistic is just pure self-irony. I am the realistic guy who points out the BS of wannabe resistance fighters, you are the idealistic guy one who thinks that there are as many wannabe resistance fighters as wannabe nazi/alien collaborators. The fairyworld might work this way but not reality.

Number one, strawman. Learn your logical fallacies before trying to debate with me. I never alluded to any quantitative comparison between the number of people who claim one position and the number who claim the other. Number 2, you still haven't got the point, have you? The wannabe is the point! It doesn't matter whether someone says they'd be a hero or a villain, as those making either claim are equally ignorant as to what they'd actually do in those circumstances. Therefore, claiming to be the villain is just as much BS as claiming to be the hero, and displays neither side displays any more honesty than the other.

Why should anybody admit that he would work for the nazis for money? This has nothing to do with acting tough at all.
As I said in my initial post, democratic citizens are responsible for all the crimes that happen in their names. Few people are aware of this responsibility and if they are they suppress it in order to be able to endure themselves and not break under the radical ethical implications of it.
There is a simple form of asymmetry which is so obvious that I shouldn't have to point it out. People bullshit themselves about the nasty things they are doing, not about the virtuous things they are doing. If you are too stupid to understand this I cannot help you.

 

[Shaytan]

Guys & Girls, could we all get back to the topic under discussion here. How would we react under alien rule?

I would look down on them for not being Parisians.
Tourists again...

 

[thestrangequark]

Not that I expect empirical facts to change your mind ...

Boy, you sure have the wrong impression about me. Empirical facts would be the first thing to change my mind: I am a skeptic. You also appear to have a poor understanding of what constitutes empirical facts if you think a handful of posts on a Star Trek forum responding to a hypothetical question about alien invasions are actually representative of society. Where do you live...Mayberry? You've seriously never met someone who tried to put on a tough or cynical facade? Tried to come of as dark or aloof because they thought it made them more interesting? That's adorable!

Calling me naive and idealistic is just pure self-irony. I am the realistic guy who points out the BS of wannabe resistance fighters, you are the idealistic guy one who thinks that there are as many wannabe resistance fighters as wannabe nazi/alien collaborators. The fairyworld might work this way but not reality.

Number one, strawman. Learn your logical fallacies before trying to debate with me. I never alluded to any quantitative comparison between the number of people who claim one position and the number who claim the other. Number 2, you still haven't got the point, have you? The wannabe is the point! It doesn't matter whether someone says they'd be a hero or a villain, as those making either claim are equally ignorant as to what they'd actually do in those circumstances. Therefore, claiming to be the villain is just as much BS as claiming to be the hero, and displays neither side displays any more honesty than the other.

Why should anybody admit that he would work for the nazis for money? This has nothing to do with acting tough at all.
As I said in my initial post, democratic citizens are responsible for all the crimes that happen in their names. Few people are aware of this responsibility and if they are they suppress it in order to be able to endure themselves and not break under the radical ethical implications of it.
There is a simple form of asymmetry which is so obvious that I shouldn't have to point it out. People bullshit themselves about the nasty things they are doing, not about the virtuous things they are doing. If you are too stupid to understand this I cannot help you.

It's like talking to a wall. Firstly, your entire second paragraph is irrelevant to the debate you and I are having. Secondly, are you going to just continue to restate your ideas or are you going to address the points I raised? Points being:

1. A few posts on a Star Trek forum do not constitute empirical data.
2. Unless you've lived a very sheltered life, you must have interacted with people who tried to pass themselves off as darker, more aloof, or "badder" than they actually are, considering that the very notion is a cliche.
3. You misrepresented my argument.