I thought Ventress was also thinking about how abandonment had happened to her in her own childhood.
Star Wars: The Clone Wars S4
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Doesn't wash. Sidious ordered Dooku to kill Ventress because she had become too powerful with the dark side, meaning Ventress, combined with Dooku, represented a threat to Sidious.
Many of the so-called "Sith lords" in Revan's empire were complete scrubs. Then again, they weren't Darths.
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Dont get me wrong. I do watch this stuff. But I really wish they would have gone with a more natural feel for the show. IMHO its strayed too far away from true Star Wars. I wish this show had ended up looking more like Episodes 4-6.
I heard the same complaints about Marvel's SW comic book series back in the day, and I could never see it that way. What's the point in doing a tie-in or spinoff if you don't do something different, find fresh angles and aspects of the universe to explore? I like the breadth and diversity of The Clone Wars.
Based on the responses so far, it's obvious that if the writers intended to deliver a strong, definitive message about Ventress and her motivations, they have completely failed. Everyone is seeing what they want to see in the situation. 
And maybe that's not a bad thing. There's nothing so boring as a story that explains Every. Last. Little. Detail.
She was considerate and kind towards the Bounty hunters, when she didn't need to be. Even a reasonably ethical person could have easily rationalized keeping all the loot for herself. The Bounty hunters aren't ethical people, and she might not find it easy to always make money out there in the cold, cruel galaxy. She was making a deliberate statement there, but what was that statement, exactly?
I'd say it was her way of rebelling against all the bullshit. She wanted to keep some of the cameraderie and consideration she'd experienced with the Nightsisters alive. If she hadn't spent time with them, her attitude would be far more selfish. Conversely, she had to have that kindness and consideration within her own personality, or she might have reacted far differently to their massacre, becoming embittered and vicious.
And also, I think it was her way of saying, "I am an individual, not a cog in any machine. I play by my own rules." You go, girl!
Doesn't wash in a different way, too. If Ventress is now on the path to redemption because of her incompetence, that's a very odd moral for any story. You better hope you're not too good or you're doomed. What?
The implications for Anakin's story therefore would be that, he was just unlucky to be such a good Jedi. That's what screwed him over. Not sure the intent here is to present such a cruelly ironic cosmos.
So, as always, I'm still completely unsure how much of this is intentional ambiguity and how much is just writers who aren't thinking things through. Probably 10% the former, 90% the latter...
And maybe that's not a bad thing. There's nothing so boring as a story that explains Every. Last. Little. Detail.
She was considerate and kind towards the Bounty hunters, when she didn't need to be. Even a reasonably ethical person could have easily rationalized keeping all the loot for herself. The Bounty hunters aren't ethical people, and she might not find it easy to always make money out there in the cold, cruel galaxy. She was making a deliberate statement there, but what was that statement, exactly?
I'd say it was her way of rebelling against all the bullshit. She wanted to keep some of the cameraderie and consideration she'd experienced with the Nightsisters alive. If she hadn't spent time with them, her attitude would be far more selfish. Conversely, she had to have that kindness and consideration within her own personality, or she might have reacted far differently to their massacre, becoming embittered and vicious.
And also, I think it was her way of saying, "I am an individual, not a cog in any machine. I play by my own rules." You go, girl!
Doesn't wash in a different way, too. If Ventress is now on the path to redemption because of her incompetence, that's a very odd moral for any story. You better hope you're not too good or you're doomed. What?
The implications for Anakin's story therefore would be that, he was just unlucky to be such a good Jedi. That's what screwed him over. Not sure the intent here is to present such a cruelly ironic cosmos.
So, as always, I'm still completely unsure how much of this is intentional ambiguity and how much is just writers who aren't thinking things through. Probably 10% the former, 90% the latter...
Her actions contrast greatly with how the Sith and dark side followers have been portrayed: as one-dimensional villains.
If she was simply selfish, why did she share the loot? Why didn't she kill Boba and leave his corpse in the box? Now he might come after her. I never said she was "heroic," but she certainly was behaving better than she would have in the past.
Frankly, she was behaving better than I would have in that situation, because I definitely would have kept all the money and I would probably have considered killing Boba as well. It's a cruel galaxy and you gotta do what you have to, to survive.
And all compassion ultimately comes from the ability to identify with other people. That's what the word means. A Sith doesn't identify with anyone and acts totally selfishly. A wannabee Sith who doesn't do that, and starts identifying with other people is turning towards the good in that they're changing and they're certainly not getting worse, so where else could they be going?
"Clone Wars" was never meant to resemble or tie in with the original trilogy...I don't get this complaint. It's very purpose is to act as an "in-between" between "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith", which it has. Has it taken various creative liberties? Sure. I don't think the series has taken away anything from the six films. It has added to the canon, but nothing really drastic IMO.
Cute red letters. This episode is the set-up. Next week should be the pay off.
I'd be pathetically insane and blabbering if I was chopped in half and forced to live in the dregs of galactic society for ten years too! 
Maul is both Shelob and Gollum.
The planet was straight from Paul W.S. Anderson's Soldier.
Junk robot people? Junk eating mech dragons? A talking snake?
Free dinner for the Jedi?
So will everyone show up next week and fight? Did Dooku, Grievous and Ventress appear to discuss disturbances in the force? What's Palpatine feeling?
CLERKS was right, the working man is the victim of these galactic power struggles. Some poor scrapper got scrapped.
The planet was straight from Paul W.S. Anderson's Soldier.
Junk robot people? Junk eating mech dragons? A talking snake?
Free dinner for the Jedi?
So will everyone show up next week and fight? Did Dooku, Grievous and Ventress appear to discuss disturbances in the force? What's Palpatine feeling?
CLERKS was right, the working man is the victim of these galactic power struggles. Some poor scrapper got scrapped.
Gollum Maul was bizare but Witwer gives another awesome vocal performance. The talking snake reminded me of out of an 80s fantasy movie. Absolutely loved the pitfire/garbage world. Some fantastic design.
A couple of things confused me here. Mother Telzin told Savage that Maul was in the Outer Rim so naturally we see Savage in a diner on Coruscant? Ignoring the fact that placing a character like Saavage in a diner of all places is the last place you would expect to ever see him, what was he doing shaking down a waitress in a place like that? Haggling over a tip? Although nothing was more contrived that Anakin and Ahsoka arriving in that same diner moments later not to investigate a disturbance but just to catch a bite to eat! Also, I thought Asajj had ditched her bounty hunting cronies and gone off by herself but hey, she's hanging out at the cantina with that alien chick.
I think this storyline should be longer but I'm interested to see how things play out next week.
A couple of things confused me here. Mother Telzin told Savage that Maul was in the Outer Rim so naturally we see Savage in a diner on Coruscant? Ignoring the fact that placing a character like Saavage in a diner of all places is the last place you would expect to ever see him, what was he doing shaking down a waitress in a place like that? Haggling over a tip? Although nothing was more contrived that Anakin and Ahsoka arriving in that same diner moments later not to investigate a disturbance but just to catch a bite to eat! Also, I thought Asajj had ditched her bounty hunting cronies and gone off by herself but hey, she's hanging out at the cantina with that alien chick.
I think this storyline should be longer but I'm interested to see how things play out next week.
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Well, actually the Sith identify with other Sith and don't act TOTALLY unselfishly, because they put their "Sith-ness" ahead of personal agendas.
It's an annoying and fundamental contradiction of the Sith. If they're only concerned with personal power and personal gain, why not drop the Sith order stuff and the "revenge against the Jedi" crap?
Their stance should be "why care about a millenia old struggle between Jedi and Sith, I just want to use the Force for power and personal gain."
The Sith really haven't thought the implications of their philosophy through.
In a galaxy full of insane starship designers I think tonight's ship still takes the cake.
Just awful.
It's so bad I can't even go into detail with all my thoughts right now. I adore SW, but the bigger problem is I'm not even surprised at this point.
The very idea of resurrecting Maul should have been laughed out of the room. Then to do it in this way is just.....there are no words.
Beyond terrible.
It's so bad I can't even go into detail with all my thoughts right now. I adore SW, but the bigger problem is I'm not even surprised at this point.
The very idea of resurrecting Maul should have been laughed out of the room. Then to do it in this way is just.....there are no words.
Beyond terrible.
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