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I am willing to bet that Q will be the villian in Trek 2.

JJ said Klingons will be in this movie. Besides Q is too smart/complex of a villain for general audiences to digest. Also Noel Clarke (Mickey Smith from Dr. Who) will be in the film. Young handsome actors like these guys will probably be something like renegade Star Fleet officers. The Klingon make up wouldn't be suitable to them.
 
I don't see Q as being the villain in the new movie. While established Trek fans would probably enjoy it, it would probably add to much baggage to the story for new fans.

Again with the Klingons! I'm so very, very tired of the Klingons. Personally I could do without them in the movie as well.
 
If he's any godlike alien, it's Trelane and not Q. But, that kind of villain doesn't lend itself to an action movie, which nuTrek 2 is going to be.

So, he's gonna be a badass, articulate Klingon!
 
I hope not.

IMO, the only actor that is capable of playing an interesting Q is John de Lancie. If not for his mischievous portrayal the omnipotent Q would be quite boring.

But then again, I used to think that no one could replace Kirk. :shifty:
 
Again with the Klingons! I'm so very, very tired of the Klingons. Personally I could do without them in the movie as well.

Yes I share you're mental anguish. I was at the Vegas Con last year and the panel for the new movie said Klingons will be in the movie. I told them that using the Klingons was like beating a dead horse. DS9 used them way too much and ENT portrayal and retcon didn't really add anything to the conversation Trek besides the lack of ridges cause. The guy on the panel agreed with me but he said the Klingons were a "dead horse that hadn't been beaten in a long time".

I'm whatever about it but if they have those stupid Darth Vader masks they had in the concept art and deleted scenes of Trek 09, I'm gonna shit and boo as loud as i can in the theatre.
 
You're actually going to loudly shit in the theater? That's nasty.

Yevetha said:
Am i wrong to conclude that Q is going to be the villain?

Yes. The villain will be John Cleese's R.
 
Cumberbatch isn't playing a villain, per Abrams. I doubt whether Q or Trelane or Charlie or whatever other corporeal God-like being will be brought into this. I even doubt that Cumberbatch will be in the entire movie. I will bet that he will be a Starfleet officer, but not a renegade.

Klingons will be in the movie, I would bet we'll see the Romulans also, and there will probably being human villains too. I sort of wonder if there will be Vulcan villains. All of them having conspired with each other at some point. There was a reason why there were some things not in the last movie, like....the Narada being built with Borg technology, even Chapel being heard but not scene, and other things.
 
Besides Q is too smart/complex of a villain for general audiences to digest.

Sigh. When the fuck did it happen that fans consider themselves smarter than the so called "general audience"? "They are too stupid to understand this and that." Geez.

Tell me about it. There's something very self-congratulatory about all this sneering at the unwashed masses you see on fannish message boards these days.

(Nothing personal, AllStar. I'm talking in general.)

Since when were Trekkies supposed to be snobs? Star Trek has always been meant for general audiences. It started out as a prime-time show on NBC for pete's sake, not an obscure cult show aimed only at the chosen few.

I swear, some people seem to think that "popular" is a dirty word.
 
The elitist mentality has been with Trek for quite awhile, probably beginning when some fans started to believe that they were the "better and more enlightened humans" alluded to in various Trek episodes.
 
What I mean by smart/complex is that I don't think general audiences will appreciate an omnipotent being who can challenge the crew of the enterprise and then at the conclusion of the film snap his fingers and undo everything the film was about, while simultaneously teaching the crew a lesson about life. It works for an episode alright. But i'm uncertain about having an omnipotent deus ex machina character in a movie.
 
What I mean by smart/complex is that I don't think general audiences will appreciate an omnipotent being who can challenge the crew of the enterprise and then at the conclusion of the film snap his fingers and undo everything the film was about, while simultaneously teaching the crew a lesson about life. It works for an episode alright. But i'm uncertain about having an omnipotent deus ex machina character in a movie.

Oh, there are definitely challenges to plotting a story around an omnipotent antagonist (says the guy who wrote an entire trilogy about Q). Your heroes can only really win moral victories; they can't actually turn the tables on the bad guy or do anything to counter his actions. They can only really respond to whatever he throws at them . . . like the Borg, for instance.

But that's a storytelling challenge; I don't think it has anything to do with who the intended audience is, or that general audiences aren't smart enough to handle it. It's still going to be an issue even if you're writing exclusively for an audience of hardcore Trekkies.

There's probably a reason that none of the Trek movies have ever featured Q, despite the popularity of the character. Although Insurrection and Nemesis might have done better at the box office if they had featured Q instead! :)

(Jarod and I were just reacting to the general disdain for "the masses" one tends to run into among some fans these days, as well as the idea that the general audience can't really appreciate Trek the way "real" fans do. Sorry to jump all over you if that's not where you were coming from!)

Repeat after me: STAR TREK is not just for Trekkies--and was never supposed to be.
 
if they're looking for a super-being for a TOS reboot, Trelane is the better choice, and "squire of gothos" had a fair amount of action. They could do it.
 
What I mean by smart/complex is that I don't think general audiences will appreciate an omnipotent being who can challenge the crew of the enterprise and then at the conclusion of the film snap his fingers and undo everything the film was about, while simultaneously teaching the crew a lesson about life. It works for an episode alright. But i'm uncertain about having an omnipotent deus ex machina character in a movie.

Oh, there are definitely challenges to plotting a story around an omnipotent antagonist (says the guy who wrote an entire trilogy about Q). Your heroes can only really win moral victories; they can't actually turn the tables on the bad guy or do anything to counter his actions. They can only really respond to whatever he throws at them . . . like the Borg, for instance.

But that's a storytelling challenge; I don't think it has anything to do with who the intended audience is, or that general audiences aren't smart enough to handle it. It's still going to be an issue even if you're writing exclusively for an audience of hardcore Trekkies.

There's probably a reason that none of the Trek movies have ever featured Q, despite the popularity of the character. Although Insurrection and Nemesis might have done better at the box office if they had featured Q instead! :)

(Jarod and I were just reacting to the general disdain for "the masses" one tends to run into among some fans these days, as well as the idea that the general audience can't really appreciate Trek the way "real" fans do. Sorry to jump all over you if that's not where you were coming from!)

Repeat after me: STAR TREK is not just for Trekkies--and was never supposed to be.

I understand where you are coming from. I try my hardest to pass on the magic of Trek to my friends.So far i've converted several hardcore Star Wars fans and a couple Dr. Who fans. My concern with general audiences is most people are reluctant to watch Trek because of some pre-established notion that Trek is lame or boring. There is alot of character and adventure in Star Trek which is the appeal for me. My hope is that the film will keep the appeal it had in the first movie and keep the large crowds coming. The series needed this new blood.
 
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