Provoking traffic offences, common outside sweden?

[ares93]

I got into an interesting altercation with a copper today. Not the first time this happened either. These stunts are trying to annoy me. They're so bloody determined to catch us doing something stupid that they are willing to risk others.

Anyway, he drove up so close to the rear of my car, that i was honestly afraid of hitting the brakes or he would've hit me. I mean, there was less than a meter between us. This is a common way of them forcing us to drive faster than allowed. Obviously he wanted to provoke me into speeding. Keep in mind that the roads were icy and I'm pretty sure the weather would qualify as a snow storm. I cold barely see the front end of my car at one point. Although, it got slightly better.

I kept driving the same speed (I even set the cruise control to annoy him.) and he finally turned on the lights. Blue only. Naive as i was, i thought he'd gotten a call and was going to leave me in peace. Think again. I slowed down and pulled to the right so he could overtake me, he didn't. We tried this three more times and then he pissed me off. I kept driving normally, figured he can overtake me if he wants, I don't give a shit anymore.

Well, he kept trying to get my attention by zigzagging behind me. Just to be on the safe side, i checked his lights again, still just blue. After a few kilometers, i was just fuming and i couldn't take it anymore. i pulled over and got out. I yelled at him to get out of the car, and he eventually did.

This was our conversation. I fully admit that i wasn't diplomatic, but keep in mind that I was pissed as hell.

Me: Did you want something from me?
Copper: ---
Me: If you don't have anything to say, don't drive up my arse. If you have a facination with it, here's a newsflash, you're not my type. Try it on some other poor bastard instead.
Copper: (Calm as hell) Why didn't you stop?
Me: (I point at the lights) Look at your bloody car, you incompetent bastard. Blue means get out of my way, red-blue means stop. You need to get learn which button does what.
Copper: (still calm as hell) Why didn't you stop?
Me: Are you deaf? When you flash me with red and blue, I'll pull over. You don't honestly thing I'd try to run in a station wagon with 100bhp, did you? I know you people can't drive, but i still wouldn't have a chance. Now i ask again, did you want something from me?
Copper: No.
Me: Good for you. Now, if you pull that shit with me gain, I'll slam the brakes so hard they are going to scrape you off my rear window with a tea spoon. And you can explain to your boss how you totaled a brand new cruiser because you couldn't keep you distance. Well, the good day to you.

Then I got in my car and left. He didn't follow me, or try to stop me at all.

I admit, I needed to went, but I'd also like to know if this is acceptable behavior outside Sweden. I don't think the law against provoking crime means much to these people. And neither does traffic laws...

 

[Chaos Descending]

I'm surprised that you're not in jail.

In a real country, getting out of your car and yelling at the cop before he gets out of his is a way to guarantee yourself a ride to the pokey.

 

[Lindley]

I've never heard of police cars having too colors of lights with different meanings. Police lights mean pull over, period.

 

[ThankQ]

I'm surprised that you're not in jail.

In a real country, getting out of your car and yelling at the cop before he gets out of his is a way to guarantee yourself a ride to the pokey.

In the USA, he would have shot you on site and gotten a parade for it.

Okay... that's a bit much. Only Texas would have given him a parade. But all the other cops would still have shot you. Really liberal states might suspend the cops for shooting you for two weeks. With pay.
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Oh, and Chaos, I don't the USA has the right to suggest that any nation with a 100% literacy rate isn't a real country.

 

[ares93]

I'm surprised that you're not in jail.

In a real country, getting out of your car and yelling at the cop before he gets out of his is a way to guarantee yourself a ride to the pokey.

Yeah, well. Wouldn't be the first time. Good luck taking me in for something I didn't do.

Besides, I'm surprised he even had the courage to flash me. There is a witch hunt going on at the local PD. We even have investigators from Metro come down. Right now, every local PC is partnered with a Metro copper. I'm guessing that's why he didn't have much to say to me. Otherwise, people have gotten a beating for less.

I've never heard of police cars having too colors of lights with different meanings. Police lights mean pull over, period.

Blue means to clear a path. Basically, do whatever you want, just get out of the way.

But blue and the red front, alt. window lights, means pull over. Alternatively, he has to reach out the window with his palm towards you.

This vid shows quite perfectly. Although ours have are in the front, behind the grill. and they're slightly bigger. Nonetheless, you get the picture.

Spoiler: youtube

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42KOU1d5kig&feature=related[/yt]

In the USA, he would have shot you on site and gotten a parade for it.

Okay... that's a bit much. Only Texas would have given him a parade. But all the other cops would still have shot you. Really liberal states might suspend the cops for shooting you for two weeks. With pay.
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Oh, and Chaos, I don't the USA has the right to suggest that any nation with a 100% literacy rate isn't a real country.

Good to know coppers in the States value life even lower than over here. I'm surprised its even possible.

 

[SeerSGB]

As to the OP: Yeeah, in the states you'd probably be in county lock up--if you didn't get shot for making "threatening movements"

Then again I almost went to jail for stealing MY OWN CAR, maybe the cops in my county are above average morons.

 

[auntiehill]

Hell, in Texas, you DO NOT get out of the car, unless you plan on getting tazered or shot. You just DON'T. And, no, the cop wouldn't get a parade for doing it, as it's so common here, it's be nothing out of the ordinary. It'd be, well, Thursday.

You do not get out of the car and you keep your hands on the wheel. You roll the window down and sit patiently. There are no "blue means this and red means that." A police flashing his lights at you? You pull the fuck over and you do it NOW.

And, to be honest, I have a great deal of respect for the police. It's the only job where you can expect people to try to hurt or kill you, just for doing what you are paid to do. I've never been anything but respectful to the police and they've never been anything less than respectful to me. Only twice in my life did I get a ticket, and both times, I was totally guilty. I took my ticket like a grownup and knew they caught me fair and square. The police were very professional and one even told me (when I was young, dumb driver) how to take defensive driving and get it off of my record.

 

[CorporalClegg]

As to the OP: Yeeah, in the states you'd probably be in county lock up--if you didn't get shot for making "threatening movements"

Then again I almost went to jail for stealing MY OWN CAR, maybe the cops in my county are above average morons.

But in the States we also have Fifth Amendment/Miranda Laws, so anyone with a lick of common sense knows to keep his mouth shut in the first place.

 

[Sandoval]

Me: Did you want something from me?
Copper: ---
Me: If you don't have anything to say, don't drive up my arse. If you have a facination with it, here's a newsflash, you're not my type. Try it on some other poor bastard instead.
Copper: (Calm as hell) Why didn't you stop?
Me: (I point at the lights) Look at your bloody car, you incompetent bastard. Blue means get out of my way, red-blue means stop. You need to get learn which button does what.
Copper: (still calm as hell) Why didn't you stop?
Me: Are you deaf? When you flash me with red and blue, I'll pull over. You don't honestly thing I'd try to run in a station wagon with 100bhp, did you? I know you people can't drive, but i still wouldn't have a chance. Now i ask again, did you want something from me?
Copper: No.
Me: Good for you. Now, if you pull that shit with me gain, I'll slam the brakes so hard they are going to scrape you off my rear window with a tea spoon. And you can explain to your boss how you totaled a brand new cruiser because you couldn't keep you distance. Well, the good day to you.

Then I got in my car and left. He didn't follow me, or try to stop me at all.

Yes. Of course that's exactly how the conversation went.

I believe you, and I'm sure everyone else does as well.

I've no doubt that you spoke to the police officer in precisely the words you're now sitting at home typing into an internet messageboard and are not exaggerating in the slightest.

Incidentally I fought off eighteen ninjas the other day on the way to work. Honest.

 

[ares93]

Yes. Of course that's exactly how the conversation went.

I believe you, and I'm sure everyone else does as well.

I've no doubt that you spoke to the police officer in precisely the words you're now sitting at home typing into an internet messageboard and are not exaggerating in the slightest.

Incidentally I fought off eighteen ninjas the other day on the way to work. Honest.

Obviously I translated everything from Swedish. But that's about how it went. Everything i said has a similar english equivalent. Whether you believe me or not, doesn't really make a difference.

I don't give the slightest fuck why who he is or what he does for a living. A copper doesn't deserve a shred more respect than a teacher, a bus driver or a mechanic like me. Besides, I work with these people on a daily basis. I have no respect for racist, corrupt bastards who beat up people just because they're immigrants and threaten kids with SMGs.

I'm not afraid to say whats on my mind. There are too few people who are willing to do that already. Probably why they have free rein.

EDIT: There is a reason i have a sticker that says; "Sweden's biggest criminal organization wear matching shirts and are called the Police." on my car.

EDIT2: Regardless, the meaning of this thread is not my views on the swedish police. But whether or not crime provocation is legal in other countries.

 

[ThankQ]

EDIT: There is a reason i have a sticker that says; "Sweden's biggest criminal organization wear matching shirts and are called the Police." on my car.

Can't imagine why you get pulled over for doing nothing.

Hell, I give the cops $10 every year just so I can get one of those "Trooper Boosters" sticker to put on the back of my car.

Doesn't help

 

[ares93]

EDIT: There is a reason i have a sticker that says; "Sweden's biggest criminal organization wear matching shirts and are called the Police." on my car.

Can't imagine why you get pulled over for doing nothing.

Hell, I give the cops $10 every year just so I can get one of those "Trooper Boosters" sticker to put on the back of my car.

Doesn't help

According to swedish law i can have whatever i want on my car. The only thing that you cant get away with are nazi stickers or threatening messages.

 

[TheBrew]

EDIT2: Regardless, the meaning of this thread is not my views on the swedish police. But whether or not crime provocation is legal in other countries.

It's not in the US; it's called entrapment.

 

[Sandoval]

Whether you believe me or not, doesn't really make a difference.

Of course it doesn't, I don't mean to imply that me believing or disbelieving your obvious exaggerations/lies would make a difference.

I don't give the slightest fuck why who he is or what he does for a living. A copper doesn't deserve a shred more respect than a teacher, a bus driver or a mechanic like me. Besides, I work with these people on a daily basis. I have no respect for racist, corrupt bastards who beat up people just because they're immigrants and threaten kids with SMGs.

You have quite a talent for exaggeration don't you?

Typical mechanic - new brake pads turn into a replacement head gasket and so on...

I'm not afraid to say whats on my mind. There are too few people who are willing to do that already. Probably why they have free rein.

Yes, you're quite the crusader.

Although (if your story had been true) I'm not entirely sure how members of the public shouting obscenities in the faces of law-enforcement officials at the roadside leads to a better society.

A moot point though since we both know you didn't actually speak to the policeman in such a manner.

 

[ThankQ]

EDIT: There is a reason i have a sticker that says; "Sweden's biggest criminal organization wear matching shirts and are called the Police." on my car.

Can't imagine why you get pulled over for doing nothing.

Hell, I give the cops $10 every year just so I can get one of those "Trooper Boosters" sticker to put on the back of my car.

Doesn't help

According to swedish law i can have whatever i want on my car. The only thing that you cant get away with are nazi stickers or threatening messages.

Oh, we could put that on our cars in the States if we wanted to. It would be perfectly legal.

But here if you do that and didn't expect to receive extra copper attention, well, you'd be pretty ignorant.

Police abusing their authority is certainly something that more people should speak out against. When it happens here, most reasonable people just put up with and say, "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full," taking the path of least resistance just to get the whole thing over with and be on about their merry ways. That type of apathy no doubt contributes to continued abuse of police authority.

I have learned that if you want to bring people around to your position, it's better to show your side's merits in a calm, rational way than to tell the other guys, "Fuck you, you're worthless and stupid."

 

[scotpens]

I've never heard of police cars having too colors of lights with different meanings. Police lights mean pull over, period.

Blue means to clear a path. Basically, do whatever you want, just get out of the way.

But blue and the red front, alt. window lights, means pull over. Alternatively, he has to reach out the window with his palm towards you.

That's interesting. In the USA, you're supposed to move to the right as far as practicable and stop when an approaching emergency vehicle has its siren on. When the cops come up behind you and flash their lights, you pull to the side of the road and stop. Never heard of color-coded police lights before.

If that's an accurate description of the cop's behavior before you stopped, it sounds like what we call "entrapment" over here. That's a big no-no.

 

[Sandoval]

Oh, we could put that on our cars in the States if we wanted to. It would be perfectly legal.

But here if you do that and didn't expect to receive extra copper attention, well, you'd be pretty ignorant.

Bravo.

You'd think this would be glaringly obvious to even those of the mindset to have 'I H8 COPZ' or whatever delightful message printed on their bumper sticker.

 

[ares93]

You'd think this would be glaringly obvious to even those of the mindset to have 'I H8 COPZ' or whatever delightful message printed on their bumper sticker.

They still can't pull me over unless i do something illegal. Whatever i have printed on my car.

Of course it doesn't, I don't mean to imply that me believing or disbelieving your obvious exaggerations/lies would make a difference.

Good, were in agreement then.

You have quite a talent for exaggeration don't you?

Typical mechanic - new brake pads turn into a replacement head gasket and so on...

Really? Well, I'm pleased that you know me so well. You just keep living in your little bubble where the police protects the citizens instead of beating them up, and where there are noble knights who rescue princesses from dragons and evil stepmothers.

Yes, you're quite the crusader.

Although (if your story had been true) I'm not entirely sure how members of the public shouting obscenities in the faces of law-enforcement officials at the roadside leads to a better society.

A moot point though since we both know you didn't actually speak to the policeman in such a manner.

Well, explain to me why I wouldn't? What, is he going to beat me up like that other fucker did? I've gotten one beating, then I landed on copper in the hospital. At least I'd get the chance to get ahead. I'm not a big fan of draws. Although, I might've lost this time, i didn't have my motorbike helmet to whack him over the head with.

That's interesting. In the USA, you're supposed to move to the right as far as practicable and stop when an approaching emergency vehicle has its siren on. When the cops come up behind you and flash their lights, you pull to the side of the road and stop. Never heard of color-coded police lights before.

If that's an accurate description of the cop's behavior before you stopped, it sounds like what we call "entrapment" over here. That's a big no-no.

^ Newsflash, they don't seem to mind. Even when they're risking their lives.

Now its a pain to translate correctly. but basically, "Ge fri väg" means you must yield to any emergency vehicle. Whether you stop or just switch lanes, doesn't matter. As long as you get out of the way.

 

[Lindley]

Can't imagine why you get pulled over for doing nothing.

Hell, I give the cops $10 every year just so I can get one of those "Trooper Boosters" sticker to put on the back of my car.

Doesn't help

According to swedish law i can have whatever i want on my car. The only thing that you cant get away with are nazi stickers or threatening messages.

Oh, we could put that on our cars in the States if we wanted to. It would be perfectly legal.

But here if you do that and didn't expect to receive extra copper attention, well, you'd be pretty ignorant.

Exactly. You can insult the cops on your bumper sticker without breaking the law....they can annoy the heck out of you without actually pressing charges. Works both ways.

 

[Sandoval]

Good, were in agreement then.

No, we're in agreement.

Really? Well, I'm pleased that you know me so well.

Don't know you specifically, I just know how mechanics love to exaggerate.

You just keep living in your little bubble where the police protects the citizens instead of beating them up, and where there are noble knights who rescue princesses from dragons and evil stepmothers.

That's quite a tangent you've gone off on isn't it?

Well, explain to me why I wouldn't? What, is he going to beat me up like that other fucker did? I've gotten one beating, then I landed on copper in the hospital. At least I'd get the chance to get ahead. I'm not a big fan of draws. Although, I might've lost this time, i didn't have my motorbike helmet to whack him over the head with.

Great story.

Tell me another, the two so far have been immensely entertaining.