@timothy in the future you might want to just post the link where that review was originally given instead of copy and pasting it in an overly long post no one is going to read.
Star Wars: The Clone Wars S4
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Well its not like they have to its tie-in literature.
THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE TO FOLLOW A SITH LORD. They didn't know a Sith Lord was involved.
And if that's not an excuse in your eyes, THE JEDI ARE ALSO FOLLOWING A SITH LORD. The SITH LORD MADE the Jedi fight the half of the galaxy. Have you not been watching?
Except at this point in the story: NO ONE KNOWS A SITH LORD IS INVOLVED.
So, I don't know why you keep bringing the Sith into this. ESPECIALLY when the Jedi are ALSO following a Sith Lord.
You're not making any sense.
In the tie-in material, as well as reference stuff released around the time of ROTS, Dooku did reveal he was a Sith Lord in Sidious's employ to the Seperatists during the Clone Wars. Although it's EU, it does fit in with SITH since 1) Palpatine refers to Dooku as a Sith Lord ("You're no match for him!") and Obi-Wan and Anakin don't seem surprised by this knowledge. Also, (2) we see the Seperatists and Grievous later in conference with Sidious.
Granted it does have a bit of discontinuity with AOTC, with Dooku's interregation of Obi-Wan, where it seems that the Trade Federation was less than happy with Sidious after the events of TPM.
Granted it does have a bit of discontinuity with AOTC, with Dooku's interregation of Obi-Wan, where it seems that the Trade Federation was less than happy with Sidious after the events of TPM.
We have also met other Seperatists, last season, Padme went to talk with them, I can't remember the episode, and that Seperatists wasn't all, "Well, this Sith Lord that I'm following..."
No. They talked about complaints they had with the Republic.
AND, the Jedi and the Clone Army are following the orders of the the MAIN Sith Lord.
Basically, the story telling of the TV is getting a little wonky. And my complaint could've been solved very easily, in the opening narration. The planet is building a virus. The planet is building super ships. Whatever.
The only excuse given: the sided with the Seperatists. Which we know is a group that has been manipulated by the Sith. Not JOINING the Sith, MANIPULATED by the Sith. So, I'm starting to sympathize with them.
Which is something they DON'T KNOW.
Well they did say that the planet is strategically important.
Yeah but its not really a secret about Dooku being a sith like it is with Palpatine.
Do the Seperatists know Count Dooku is a Sith? Does that even MEAN anything to the Seperatists. The Sith haven't been around for a long time. Do people outside of the Jedi know what a Sith was/is?
Coulda been clearer then. All I heard: they've sided with the Seperatists. So, the invasion seems more punitive than strategic.
Again, IS it known? Where is it shown that the Seperatists knew Dooku was a Sith? Hell, the Jedi didn't know Dooku was a Sith until the end of AOTC.
Why are you assuming that it's common knowledge that 1. People--the general population of the Seperatists-- know Dooku is a Sith and 2. that they even know what it means to be a Sith, other than they aren't Jedi.
The Republic as well as the Trade Federation/Seperatists does seem to have some knowledge of the Sith. It's implied in the films that the Sith ruled the galaxy, were overthrown and the Republic was put in place after that conflict 1000 years prior to TPM. At least that seems to be what Lucas seems to think (The EU contradicts it by having both the Republic being several millenia old and there being a long series of wars between the Jedi and the Sith, which even continue post-ROTJ) . Also Anakin in the opera isn't very suspicious of Palpatine talking about the Sith in the opera; he only concludes Palpatine was a Sith lord when he's talking about the force.
Also Dooku being identified as a Sith: The Jedi don't claim this in AOTC, they mainly think Dooku has joined the dark side. It isn't until Dooku lands on Coruscant at some hideout that he's identified as Lord Tyrannus (Although several figures stated this as well).
Switching gears a bit, I wonder if the Clone Wars series will ever deal with the whole thing about Kamino being erased from the Jedi archives. There was speculation in a lot of forums that a Jedi would be revealed as a traitor working for Dooku, but apparentally the EU implied it was Dooku himself (or working with Sifo-Dyas) who erased the files. That and the whole Sifo-Dyas thing have never really been answered in 'canon' and the whole plot point was completely ignored in ROTS. So maybe CW will deal with it somehow.
Also Dooku being identified as a Sith: The Jedi don't claim this in AOTC, they mainly think Dooku has joined the dark side. It isn't until Dooku lands on Coruscant at some hideout that he's identified as Lord Tyrannus (Although several figures stated this as well).
Switching gears a bit, I wonder if the Clone Wars series will ever deal with the whole thing about Kamino being erased from the Jedi archives. There was speculation in a lot of forums that a Jedi would be revealed as a traitor working for Dooku, but apparentally the EU implied it was Dooku himself (or working with Sifo-Dyas) who erased the files. That and the whole Sifo-Dyas thing have never really been answered in 'canon' and the whole plot point was completely ignored in ROTS. So maybe CW will deal with it somehow.
Well seeing as they were talking to his boss in ROTS at some point they find out.
Nope the narrator at the beginnin of the ep pointed out that the planet was strategically important in terms of taking the area of space the Republic and Seperatists are fighting over.
Their leaders where on the phone with Sidious about what to do since Dooku (who was identified as his apprentice aka A Sithlord) was dead in ROTS.
Aparently the head cheeses at some point find this out.
I don't know they may actually by into some of the Sith ideas seeing how conquest happy they can be, and if not Dooku is probably planning to enslave them anyway.
It's unclear who knows what, I think. The Jedi, to me, seem to hold onto information within their order. So, do the Generals and the politicians in the Senate, how much do they know ABOUT the Sith?
Certainly within the movies and the TV it's unclear.
And hell, 30 years after the Empire takes over, the Jedi are only myth (oh, poor Death Star guy...) So, it doesn't seem like there's much retention of information in this particular galaxy.
Right, but outside of Sidious and the droids, who else KNEW Dooku was a Sith?
I doubt it. I would be surprised.
I don't think we've gotten to that point yet.
Where has this been established?
IIRC, the introduction to Shatterpoint mentions that the Jedi know about the Sith-Separatist connection by that point.
Whofan said:
It said that Dooku erased the files after killing Sifo-Dyas.
Whofan said:
Since we don't know what exactly was in the information that James Luceno received from Lucas, and can only see the result, there remains some room for ambiguity. It seems to be indicated that Sifo-Dyas made the initial contact with Kamino about the order, and then Sidious told Dooku about the situation and ordered Dooku to kill him. Some might argue that Sidious could have been lying to Dooku and thus we cannot know for certain based on the book alone.
Maybe not a myth. That's the wrong word. I was thinking about what Han Solo said about the Force and that Death Star Guy said before Darth Vader should him who's the boss.
So maybe people remember the Jedi, but not the Force? Or understand the Force? Think it's magic?
Ah, yes, I understand what you mean.
Yeah, or think it isn't going to help them. Which, given the rise of the Empire and the common man's life going down the crapper, is why I think Han poopooing the Force is reasonable. That is, IMO, based on what little we know of Han's background, it suggests that he had to take care of himself in a [part of the] galaxy in which the Force was not helpful, which I think is a reasonable thing to happen in that universe.
We [all of us here] have had this convo before, without general agreement. But one point that we were able to agree on, I think, is that the Rebels were the "keepers of the flame" of the idea that the Force was real and effective.
Part II was excellent.
I don't think Jellico was ever as destructive as Krell has been. Jellico wasn't about brute strength and unnecessary sacrifice. He was just gaming the Cardassians. He also never had the kind of disregard for life that Krell has displayed. Granted both men were hardasses but that's about the only similarities I can think of.
I have to wonder if the war has changed Krell, turned him into the bastard that he's been on the show thus far. I can't see the Jedi ever okaying this guy a command with his current attitude, much less him making it to Jedi Master status. I also can't see how he ever won any battles with this attitude. I guess he always had superior numbers, extra numbers he could just throw at the enemy. I hope the Jedi or the Republic have to account for his actions at the end of this series.
I got a feeling Rex won't make it out of this four-parter and it will help seed Anakin's distrust of the Jedi.
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