Penn State will probably lose their next three games with their anemic offense.
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^ Ohio State's a possibility I think. Miller's not much of a passer so if they can keep Boom Herron in check there's a chance.
My one fear with Missouri joining the SEC is that the Third Saturday in October might come to an end if Auburn moves East, and that would be terrible.
My one fear with Missouri joining the SEC is that the Third Saturday in October might come to an end if Auburn moves East, and that would be terrible.
Its not like its actually being played on the Third Saturday anymore!My one fear with Missouri joining the SEC is that the Third Saturday in October might come to an end if Auburn moves East, and that would be terrible.
They'd be better off moving both Auburn and Alabama to the East.
Well, UT's new AD comes from Alabama and apparently he's been making noise about the importance of the rivalry and putting it back on its traditional date.
The problem with putting Bama and Auburn both in the East is you'd either have to shift a team West (Vanderbilt) or go to 16 teams. Moving Vandy would, with all due respect to the Dores, make the East an ungodly minefield if Dooley gets the Vols back like I think he will. Otherwise, I think its a fine plan. If nothing else, it would save the West from having 3 different Tiger teams.
You'd also have the benefit of preserving the Alabama-LSU game as a protected rivalry and Tennessee can get Vandy as their protected rival.
The problem with putting Bama and Auburn both in the East is you'd either have to shift a team West (Vanderbilt) or go to 16 teams. Moving Vandy would, with all due respect to the Dores, make the East an ungodly minefield if Dooley gets the Vols back like I think he will. Otherwise, I think its a fine plan. If nothing else, it would save the West from having 3 different Tiger teams.
You'd also have the benefit of preserving the Alabama-LSU game as a protected rivalry and Tennessee can get Vandy as their protected rival.
I'd like to see Alabama and Auburn come to the east.
Beating Kentucky's a forgone conclusion, but a Vol victory over Vandy is a far from certain proposition. They outplayed the Hogs for all but about five mintues Saturday. If they score a TD instead of fumbling, it never comes down to the ultimately missed field goal. This ain't your father's Vandy.
Hell, if JoePa's gonna get credit for winning games he's not really coaching, can I add the victories from the Perkins-Stallings-Dubose stints at Bama to Bryant's total? Throw in Stallings and Sherrill's wins at A&M as well. Paterno's hung on like grim death long enough to pass Robinson now, time to give it up. It's just sad.
Part of the whole hold-up with Missouri coming in, particularly with Alabama not voting in favor, was to ensure rivalries stay intact. The scout team may not wear orange jerseys and white helmets with orange "T"s on them, but for the old guard Alabama fans, the Tennessee game is too important to risk giving up on an annual basis. They see it as bigger than the Auburn game.My one fear with Missouri joining the SEC is that the Third Saturday in October might come to an end if Auburn moves East, and that would be terrible.
Most speculation I've heard has Mizzou going to the east and Alabama-Tennessee returning to the Third Saturday. The SEC schedule goes from eight to nine games, so one less non-conference opponent.
Leave it to the out-of-touch old fogies to get in the way of the future.Part of the whole hold-up with Missouri coming in, particularly with Alabama not voting in favor, was to ensure rivalries stay intact. The scout team may not wear orange jerseys and white helmets with orange "T"s on them, but for the old guard Alabama fans, the Tennessee game is too important to risk giving up on an annual basis. They see it as bigger than the Auburn game.My one fear with Missouri joining the SEC is that the Third Saturday in October might come to an end if Auburn moves East, and that would be terrible.
So, you're saying the annual Alabama-Tennessee game should end? Vol fan tired of the beatings, perhaps? 
Seriously, those folks aren't out-of-touch. They have a sense of the importance of history and tradition to the SEC and don't want to see them lost. It's better for the SEC as a whole if the traditional rivalries across the conference remain intact. If it takes some foot-dragging and arm-twisting to ensure they continue, so be it. Alabama and Auburn didn't play for @forty years. During that time, the UA-UT and AU-UG games became the premiere rivalries for each school. I'd guess that's a large part of why both have retained a special place in fans' hearts even though these days they are overshadowed by the Iron Bowl in the mind of the public at large.
Besides, I'm having a tough time seeing where adding Missouri is "the way of the future".
Seriously, those folks aren't out-of-touch. They have a sense of the importance of history and tradition to the SEC and don't want to see them lost. It's better for the SEC as a whole if the traditional rivalries across the conference remain intact. If it takes some foot-dragging and arm-twisting to ensure they continue, so be it. Alabama and Auburn didn't play for @forty years. During that time, the UA-UT and AU-UG games became the premiere rivalries for each school. I'd guess that's a large part of why both have retained a special place in fans' hearts even though these days they are overshadowed by the Iron Bowl in the mind of the public at large.
Besides, I'm having a tough time seeing where adding Missouri is "the way of the future".
Tennessee needs to be forced to play decent teams. They got Montana, Buffalo, and Middle Tennessee this year and next year they're scheduled to play Akron, Georgia State and Troy... 
I just looked at who Georgia is playing next year and I take that back...
I just looked at who Georgia is playing next year and I take that back...
Nah, I agree. Sorry, I mean to come across as saying that beating Vandy would be one thing to still look forward to.
I dunno. People said he should give it up once beating Bowden's win total was assured, but he doesn't seem to have any interest in slowing down. If Joe's own players would stop running him over he'd be (slowly) prowling the sidelines still.
Besides, at this point he'll probably die within months of stepping down like Bear did.
While pretty awesome, I'm honestly shocked. I thought the Iron Bowl really was the live-or-die game for all Bammers.
That works but really makes little sense geographically.
All good otherwise. 
So, you're saying the annual Alabama-Tennessee game should end? Vol fan tired of the beatings, perhaps?
Meh, we owned most of the Fulmer era, you guys have owned since Saban arrived. All of this has happened before, etc.
Tennessee needs to be forced to play decent teams. They got Montana, Buffalo, and Middle Tennessee this year and next year they're scheduled to play Akron, Georgia State and Troy...
I just looked at who Georgia is playing next year and I take that back...
Indeed.
Honestly though - I'm annoyed about Montana this year (and Georgia State next). All respect to the Grizz, but I loved the fact that unlike several other SEC teams (I can think of cases for Florida, SC, Bama, and Auburn off the top of my head) the Vols never played 1-AA teams until... last year I think? Buffalo was a dumb move too, especially considering Vol fans would've loved the rematch with UNC that it replaced, but oh well.
Me? Oh, hell no.So, you're saying the annual Alabama-Tennessee game should end? Vol fan tired of the beatings, perhaps?
I don't really have a personal stake in any college football teams, to be honest. The only one I guess I kind of care about is OU, and that's just because my dad is a huge fan of them.
2012 Non-conference SEC Scheduled Games: (for now?)
Texas A&M:
09/15 - at SMU
TBA - McNeese State
Alabama: (3 givens and what could be a good game)
09/01 - Michigan (at Arlington, TX)
09/08 - Western Kentucky
11/17 - Western Carolina
TBA - Florida Atlantic
Arkansas: (two easy wins)
11/03 - Tulsa
TBA - ULM (at Little Rock, AR)
Auburn: (3 easy wins)
09/01 - Clemson (at Atlanta, GA)
11/03 - McNeese State
11/17 - Alabama A&M
TBA - ULM
Florida: (3 easy wins, and the Jacksonville State) (Kidding, but go Gamecocks!)
09/01 - Bowling Green
09/08 - Louisiana-Lafayette
11/24 - at Florida State
TBA - Jacksonville State
Georgia: (3 easy wins)
09/01 - Buffalo
09/15 - Florida Atlantic
11/17 - Georgia Southern
11/24 - Georgia Tech
Kentucky: (you just never know....)
09/01 - at Louisville
09/08 - Kent State
09/15 - Western Kentucky
11/17 - Samford
LSU: (4 creampuffs)
09/01 - North Texas
09/08 - Washington
09/15 - Idaho
09/29 - Towson
Mississippi State (3 easy wins)
09/01 - Jackson State
09/08 - at Troy
09/22 - South Alabama
Ole Miss (3 wins and a beatdown by Texas)
09/01 - Central Arkansas
09/08 - UTEP
09/15 - Texas
09/22 - at Tulane
South Carolina (3 easy wins)
09/15 - UAB
11/17 - Wofford
11/24 - at Clemson
TBA - East Carolina
Tennessee (3 easy wins, NC State could be good game)
09/01 - NC State (at Atlanta, GA)
09/08 - Georgia State
09/22 - Akron
11/03 - Troy
Vanderbilt (Vandy could lose all four of these)
09/01 - Presbyterian
09/08 - at Northwestern
10/27 - UMass
11/24 - at Wake Forest
Which teams do they break contracts with when Missouri and Texas A&M enter the picture? Arkansas & A&M already had games scheduled, so that's not a problem.
Texas A&M:
09/15 - at SMU
TBA - McNeese State
Alabama: (3 givens and what could be a good game)
09/01 - Michigan (at Arlington, TX)
09/08 - Western Kentucky
11/17 - Western Carolina
TBA - Florida Atlantic
Arkansas: (two easy wins)
11/03 - Tulsa
TBA - ULM (at Little Rock, AR)
Auburn: (3 easy wins)
09/01 - Clemson (at Atlanta, GA)
11/03 - McNeese State
11/17 - Alabama A&M
TBA - ULM
Florida: (3 easy wins, and the Jacksonville State) (Kidding, but go Gamecocks!)
09/01 - Bowling Green
09/08 - Louisiana-Lafayette
11/24 - at Florida State
TBA - Jacksonville State
Georgia: (3 easy wins)
09/01 - Buffalo
09/15 - Florida Atlantic
11/17 - Georgia Southern
11/24 - Georgia Tech
Kentucky: (you just never know....)
09/01 - at Louisville
09/08 - Kent State
09/15 - Western Kentucky
11/17 - Samford
LSU: (4 creampuffs)
09/01 - North Texas
09/08 - Washington
09/15 - Idaho
09/29 - Towson
Mississippi State (3 easy wins)
09/01 - Jackson State
09/08 - at Troy
09/22 - South Alabama
Ole Miss (3 wins and a beatdown by Texas)
09/01 - Central Arkansas
09/08 - UTEP
09/15 - Texas
09/22 - at Tulane
South Carolina (3 easy wins)
09/15 - UAB
11/17 - Wofford
11/24 - at Clemson
TBA - East Carolina
Tennessee (3 easy wins, NC State could be good game)
09/01 - NC State (at Atlanta, GA)
09/08 - Georgia State
09/22 - Akron
11/03 - Troy
Vanderbilt (Vandy could lose all four of these)
09/01 - Presbyterian
09/08 - at Northwestern
10/27 - UMass
11/24 - at Wake Forest
Which teams do they break contracts with when Missouri and Texas A&M enter the picture? Arkansas & A&M already had games scheduled, so that's not a problem.
They're still putting together potential schedules, but its conceivable that they continue playing 8 game conference schedules in the short term before moving to 9 games.
That still leaves Texas A&M with having to be scheduled at least 7 more SEC teams then.
Why do you see this as being a problem?
They have not yet released in-conference schedules for the 2012 season, however they've already made the tentative decision to have Texas A&M play 4 West and 4 East teams (this is on the contingency of only 13 teams, so assuming Missouri does not join). This game would either be a 9th conference game for each team, or would take the place of an existing 8th conference game.
Teams are added/dropped from schedules all the time. Just this year, Alabama filled an opening on their schedule with Kent State, who had to pull out of their game with Purdue to make it happen. Consequently, Purdue had to fill their opening with another team. These swaps happen all the time; just because a team is on you schedule doesn't mean the game is 100% going to be played.
I even recall a few years ago when a school got an opportunity for a big payday by playing a powerhouse (1/2 Million dollars just for showing up) but didn't have enough time to cancel the other game they had scheduled that day. So they took the payday and the forfeit, and ended up with two losses in one day. Can't remember what school that was, though.
EDIT: found it, it was Delaware State.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/276348-one-day-two-losses-a-whole-lot-of-cash
They lost to Michigan 63-6, and forfeited to North Carolina A&T on the same day (an in-conference game, to boot!)
That was a fear of Bowden's. That it might be in the back of JoePa's mind wouldn't be a surprise.
I dunno. People said he should give it up once beating Bowden's win total was assured, but he doesn't seem to have any interest in slowing down. If Joe's own players would stop running him over he'd be (slowly) prowling the sidelines still.
Besides, at this point he'll probably die within months of stepping down like Bear did.
That generation's dying off, they came of age during the break between 1907 and 1947, though you'll run across a younger fan who feels similarly. For me, I tend to come to the Tennessee game with a greater sense of nostalgia and respect. Against Auburn, the fear of a loss-for fans on both sides-swamps every other emotion.
Screw the Grizz, Go Cats!
I'd wager a lot of the contracts won't be broken, just spread out. Western Kentucky will be just as happy with their @$1,000,000 check to come to T-town, tour the Bryant Museum, have some Dreamland ribs, and get beat by four+ TDs in 2015 as they would've in 2012.
I don't know that I'd call Washington a creampuff. They're not back to where they were, what, a decade, two decades ago, but Sarkisian's got 'em on the right track.
That makes sense. Hopefully the fear of a loss returns to the 'Bama side for the UT/UA game soon enough.
Montana State?
Yep.
Does it make sense for Boise St to join the Big East?
Not. At. All.
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