I didn't like Masks, it struck me as another chance for Spiner to act like s complete nutcase to show off his "talents."
WTF Moments
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Some of my favorite and brilliant WTF moments are outlined below. And this is not meant as criticism, but how well done these scenes were executed while preserving the shock and amusement factor.
- At the end of the episode A Fistful of Datas when Worf puts on the hat and does a Western shoot-out posture in front of the mirror!
- In the episode Allegiance, when the Picard duplicate sang a popular song from the Academy days in Ten-Forward with the rest of the officers…just a priceless moment and I bet Patrick Stewart and the rest enjoyed every second of it!
- In Timescape, when a disoriented Picard drew a smile on that cloud coming from the warp core breach.
Oh, and plenty of WTF scenes in Genesis.
Maniarek.
- At the end of the episode A Fistful of Datas when Worf puts on the hat and does a Western shoot-out posture in front of the mirror!
- In the episode Allegiance, when the Picard duplicate sang a popular song from the Academy days in Ten-Forward with the rest of the officers…just a priceless moment and I bet Patrick Stewart and the rest enjoyed every second of it!
- In Timescape, when a disoriented Picard drew a smile on that cloud coming from the warp core breach.
Oh, and plenty of WTF scenes in Genesis.
Maniarek.
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Well, I can't complain anytime Spiner gets the chance to show off his acting brilliance.
Maniarek.
Worf and the pianist singing Aktuh and Melota in Unification. I especially love how Worf really goes for in the end. MAAH-LOOOOO-TAA! It makes me scratch my head and laugh at the same time, since the lyrics sound a lot like malloot, a dutch word for imbecile.
You're talking about the one with Leah Brahms right? This just came up in our TNG rewatch and it still doesn't seem *completely* out there. I mean, Geordi's first step in working on the problem was pulling up the original design files. Seems rational to me. Then he gets the idea to put them on the holodeck so he can get a visual and tactile view of things. This really appeals to me, I learn anything best by doing. Then he adds a holo-character to focus the conversation. Still not completely crazy. The biggest flaw I realized was when Picard says something like "congratulations to your team", and I realized the biggest sin here is that Geordi didn't have several other (real) engineers in there with him, all throwing out ideas and working on the solution.
But the basic idea of using the holodeck as a "teaching tool" doesn't seem that far fetched to me.
We also just watched the ep with Bev and Deanna working out. It only looks like they're in a corridor because the set designers basically moved some of their prebuilt walls into a configuration to make a room, but it otherwise seems like it's a separate room, or at least a section of corridor at a dead end or something intentionally set aside for that purpose by the ship's designers.
The real WTF moment there is those outfits they're wearing, or even that the scene even exists. I imagine they were going for a slice of life bit there, but it just came across as bizarre.
HoloSpock was supposed to tell the Vulcan to accept the Romulan "invasion force" which was supposed to... do something.
They should have set the auto destruct for the same time. That way the red lights and countdown would keep them on track. Otherwise they get sidetracked
The first time somebody whipped out a phaser on the bridge. I don't remember which episode it was, but it really showed me that the creators of the show just didn't give a shit about verisimilitude. That only got worse as they started beaming people from the bridge and eventually forgot there was a crew on that ship altogether.
The WTF moment that really annoys me is in The Best of Both Worlds Part 1 during the poker game between Riker, Troi, Data, LaForge, The Boy, and Shelby.
Troi deals, Wesley has three Jacks, and Riker has a Flush/Possible Straight Flush. Wesley bets 10, and Riker raises him 100.
Geordi immediately busts out with "He's got the straight flush, folks" and Data says "Not necessarily, Commander Riker may be bluffing."
So Wesley thinks about it and folds.
Then Geordi, after having just exclaimed his belief that Riker has the straight flush, gets on Wesley's ass, and is really annoyed at him for folding with three jacks and tells him there's a lot he needs to learn about poker.
I'm no poker expert, but WTF, Geordi?
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Additionally, as far as games go in Star Trek -- I really, really get annoyed any time some human beats a Vulcan or android at the game of chess and goes into a speech about how chess is more than a game of logic, but of intuition. Sorry, dude .. I don't see how human intuition can cause an android to not see the checkmate six moves ahead. That's just stupid.
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Not really a WTF moment .. but I loved how in "The Perfect Mate" when after getting all hot and bothered by Kamala, the first place Riker heads is the Holodeck.
Troi deals, Wesley has three Jacks, and Riker has a Flush/Possible Straight Flush. Wesley bets 10, and Riker raises him 100.
Geordi immediately busts out with "He's got the straight flush, folks" and Data says "Not necessarily, Commander Riker may be bluffing."
So Wesley thinks about it and folds.
Then Geordi, after having just exclaimed his belief that Riker has the straight flush, gets on Wesley's ass, and is really annoyed at him for folding with three jacks and tells him there's a lot he needs to learn about poker.
I'm no poker expert, but WTF, Geordi?
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Additionally, as far as games go in Star Trek -- I really, really get annoyed any time some human beats a Vulcan or android at the game of chess and goes into a speech about how chess is more than a game of logic, but of intuition. Sorry, dude .. I don't see how human intuition can cause an android to not see the checkmate six moves ahead. That's just stupid.
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Not really a WTF moment .. but I loved how in "The Perfect Mate" when after getting all hot and bothered by Kamala, the first place Riker heads is the Holodeck.
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IT LIVES!!!!!!!!
I agree with some of the "Masks" comments. Part of the reason it was terrible was the fact that the whole scenario didn't make any sense. And I still don't get it.
"The Game"--it was really interesting from the "imagine you were Wesley" perspective, but I neglected to see how addiction translated naturally to the senior staff being in league with some evil alien captain. And--a series of flashing lights was all it took? Seriously?
Programming the "Kahless" character with the original Kahless's memories.
The amber blob that was supposed to be the shapeshifter in "Aquiel."
All of "The Naked Now," regardless of how funny some of the moments are.
"The Game"--it was really interesting from the "imagine you were Wesley" perspective, but I neglected to see how addiction translated naturally to the senior staff being in league with some evil alien captain. And--a series of flashing lights was all it took? Seriously?
Programming the "Kahless" character with the original Kahless's memories.
The amber blob that was supposed to be the shapeshifter in "Aquiel."
All of "The Naked Now," regardless of how funny some of the moments are.
What bug me is, if you're going to violate the Prime Directive then go ahead and tell the villager what happening to them. Maybe skip some of the detail, but tell them that a disaster is coming and that Nicolai and his friends are going to move them to a distant land, none of the walking through the tunnel thing. Beam them onto the holodeck, with comfortable surroundings, then beam them down again. Be open about it and treat them like adults.
The episode smacks of "the primitives" are really just stupid children, and us techno future people are so much smarter than they.
The black blob Armus, from Skin Of Evil, wasn't well executed either. I really do understand that there's a budget involved, but come on.
This does not always work. Was not there an alien who was shown outside the scope of his world and who could not get past this and took his own life? So there is a sensitivity that must be considered. One could also view this as a forced evolution whereby those who can grasp learning beyond the scope of their world will survive and the others that do not will die. The hope is that the majority lives and will continue.
The prime directive is a contentious topic that was at times poorly represented in Star Trek. In Homeward it would have been impossible for Picard to save everyone due to space limitations on board the Enterprise and insufficient time to call for assistance. Does it make it alright to save a small fraction?Nikolai thought so because he bonded with that group. And once the damage was done, it had to be managed. It was an interesting story idea but it felt like it was rushed into screenplay form and not given enough time to be crafted into a more believable and compelling story.
The black blob Armus, from Skin Of Evil, wasn't well executed either. I really do understand that there's a budget involved, but come on.
TNG clearly employed too many blobs and blob-like forms throughout the series--this observation proves it beyond a doubt.
The black blob Armus, from Skin Of Evil, wasn't well executed either. I really do understand that there's a budget involved, but come on.
TNG clearly employed too many blobs and blob-like forms throughout the series--this observation proves it beyond a doubt.
Blobs have foreheads?
That wasn't Vorin difficulty. Picard gave the boy the choice of only two options. To be permanently separated from his people, or to lie to his people for the rest of his life. The option of simply returning and telling everyone the truth was a choice Picard denied the boy. Unable to choose from the two options, the boy committed suicide.
Being on a starship isn't the reason Vorin killed himself.
If Picard and Nicolai had been honest with the people of the village from the start, likely the boy would have beamed down to the new world with the rest of his people.
I'm thinking of people who immigrated to America, they left small simple villages in Eastern Europe, Scandinavia, Japan and China ... villages that had seen little change in centuries and a month later they were standing in New York City. Where the immigrants were going wasn't somehow kept a mystery from them.
When were the Boraal Two villagers even asked if they wished to leave?
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^If they had found out they were on the ship, it would have destroyed their culture. Is that really so hard to understand?
Immigrants chose to come here and are a bad analogy. A better one would be african slaves. Taken forcibly from the only life they have ever known.
Or Admiral Perry's arrival in Japan breaking Japan's isolation. Their whole way of life changed in less than a century.
Immigrants chose to come here and are a bad analogy. A better one would be african slaves. Taken forcibly from the only life they have ever known.
Or Admiral Perry's arrival in Japan breaking Japan's isolation. Their whole way of life changed in less than a century.
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