So, assuming that we're free to declare certain lines to be in error, what if we say that Kirk actually meant to say was Monarchy rather than Democracy in Errand of Mercy. There's exactly as much evidence for eliminating that line as there is for swapping Federation and Starfleet in Pike's statement in ST09.
Bullshit. There's far, far more evidence that the Federation is a democracy than that it's an "armada." For one thing, the name: "United Federation of Planets." Not "United Federation of Starships." Planets can't be an armada.
And that's to say nothing of references to democratically-elected Federation Presidents; to Federation opinion polls; and to Starfleet constantly taking orders from the President and Council, rather than being treated as a co-equal branch.
That's probably the biggest argument against the idea that Starfleet is a branch of the government and that the Federation and Starfleet are the same thing: Starfleet has never, ever been treated as though it's co-equal with the Council and President. It has always taken orders from them.
Well, first off, I'd much rather see the United States adopt a semi-presidential system like what France has than its current constitutional framework: The democratically-elected President is in charge, and appoints a Prime Minister to administer her policies, but if the Parliament is controlled by the opposite party, she has to appoint a PM from that other party. So you get the benefits of both U.S. presidentialism and of Westminster parliamentary systems.The problem is that everyone assumes that we've got the perfect system of government, or at least, the absolute best we can currently hope for. If we knew of a better system, we'd be using it already.
Secondly: I think the issue here is, you're focusing on the issue of constitutional frameworks -- legislature, executive, judiciary -- when that's not really the only thing that defines a system. I already pointed out numerous ways the Federation's systems would be fundamentally different from our own, outside of the constitutional framework.
If the Federation is worth a damn, corporations would all be banned and all political campaigns would be publicly-funded. ETA: I'd hope that all or most businesses in the Federation would also be employee-owned co-operatives. End Edit.Should we assume that interstellar corporations buy and sell candidates support as easily as they do today?
That's a matter of overall political culture, rather than constitutional framework, which is what we've been focusing on. My suspicion is that, to some extent, people will always be frustrated by bickering between political parties, because people will always have conflicting ideas about what policies society should adopt and will always get frustrated that other people disagree with them.Are the People of the 23rd & 24th century as frustrated with the petty bickering between political parties?
The real question is, will that frustration reach the level it has in the modern world, where the sense the public gets is that the bickering is getting in the way of developing effective policies, and preventing the other party from gaining any advantages or power is more important than serving the people. I would argue that this is a function of increased political extremism and classism created as part of a long-term movement to redistribute wealth to the elite, with the opposing forces becoming all the more radicalized in opposition to that movement. (Your mileage on my analysis may vary.) In that regard, no, a Federation that exists in a state of abundance and lacks poverty or economic classism would probably not feature such an extreme level of partisan dysfunction.
Well, considering how many times I've essentially argued, "But the Federation is supposed to be better than that!, I certainly would argue that that's not a fair characterization of my arguments.Have we simply transplanted our own system into the future and slapped a light coat of paint and a couple of peel and stick labels to it?
Well, yes and no. As I've argued previously, even from the very beginning, the Federation, while based in part on the U.N., was not based solely on it. The Federation, from the very beginning, has always been depicted as a sovereign state in possession of its own military in the form of Starfleet, and of its own government in the form of the Federation Council. The United Nations is many things, but it is not a sovereign state, it does not have its own military, and it does not have a government. So while the U.N. has always been a key influence on the depiction of the Federation, the waters have always been more muddied than that; it's clearly also always been based in part on liberal democracies, too.In regards to the Federation being based, at least in spirit of the UN, that was the original feeling that Trek was going for. Different races instead of different countries but coming together to work out their differences as an alternative to war and to work together to improve life for everyone.
"Go back?" Please. Forming petty power blocks and getting into wars over whose god has the bigger dick never ended. The U.N. is just a way to channel that and regulate it, and to legitimize the dominance of less-powerful countries by more-powerful countries. But it's not a world government, and never was.Does that mean we should disband it and go back to forming petty power blocks and getting into wars over who's god has the bigger genitals?
I'm not saying the U.N. should be disbanded, either. U.N. agencies like UNICEF do amazing work and save millions of lives every year. And the international system needs a universal intergovernmental organization to channel and regulate the international dick-waving contests that define international relations. But let's not kid ourselves about what the United Nations is, either.
My personal sense is that having the judiciary be nominated by the democratically-elected executive and ratified by the democratically-elected legislature is a good compromise between trying to keep the judiciary from being too politicized and trying to make sure there's some democratic accountability and mandate to their holding office.Am I to take this that you don't support having 1/3 of the government being selected by the people? What other way would you suggest? Having them selected by someone else? Who would decide?Sad but true. Democratic elections for the judicial branch are very ineffective.
My sense was more along the lines that the basic famework -- democratic elections, an executive, and a legislature -- would most probably have evolved in parallel on all of those worlds, anyway. Think of it as being roughly similar to parallel evolution: Isolated groups developing similar traits to meet paralleled challenges.Requireing all alien civilizations to follow 20th century Earth governing structures sounds like imperialism.
I don't think it's unreasonable for the Federation to require a foreign culture to adopt certain aspects of its culture before it lets them into the club. The Federation doesn't have any obligation to let anyone in, after all. But neither should it be coercing people into joining. And who said anything about preventing anyone from spreading beyond their home planet?"You'll do things exactly like we do or you cannot join our alliance and we'll prevent you from spreading beyond your home plant"