DC to REBOOT???

[DarKush]

The midnight release of the final issue of Flashpoint and Justice League #1 along with their variants does seem a tad bit excessive but then this entire New 52 business is excessive in my opinion.

Is it just me or are there others who have been let down by "Flashpoint"? I think this has got to be Geoff Johns worst work and this from a huge fan of his.

Even though I've enjoyed Flashpoint more than Fear Itself (just not interested in the FI premise), I have to admit that my enjoyment has diminished quite a bit the more FP I've read. I think they have an interesting set-up, but the follow-through hasn't been great. Either they haven't taken full advantage of the alternate universe or they are just giving the audience unnecessary tie-ins that have little bearing on the overall narrative. I also find it odd that Flash is playing far too much of a small role in the crossover mega-event that bears his name.

So far I haven't see how this series will elevate Barry; he's barely at the center of events. Batman, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman. Even the Outsider seem to be doing more than him. Granted he recently just got his powers back, but maybe depowering him for three and a half issues of the main FP was a problem from jump.

As it stands for me, there are too many tie-ins. The only ones I think they should've had miniseries were Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg, Abin Sur, and Reverse Flash. The rest could've been handled in a World of Flashpoint style anthology, a series of one-shots, or something like that.

 

[shivkala]

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I would also add Kid Flash and Project: Superman to your list.

I had pretty low expectations for Flashpoint going in, so I can't say it's disappointed me, but it's pretty boring, actually. Especially considering all the build up The Flash had, it seems that they've been prepping this for at least a year or two.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Hooray! Batman Beyond will be returning after all!

Maybe now I'll reconsider picking up some of DC's new 52.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I dropped Beachman's current ongoing Batman Beyond. Just got bored of it. The "Hush" mini-series was good but the ongoing has been meh. I might check it out. DC mentioned that it was going to revamp the origin of the character as well, but don't know if that is still happening.

 

[Hound of UIster]

He is the same writer that wrote the character assassination that did in Cassandra Cain. I avoid his work on principle.

 

[Saga]

i didn't care for the mini or the ongoing Batman Beyond series. so, if it gets rebooted i won't cry any tears of frustration over it.

 

[scnj]

I dropped Beachman's current ongoing Batman Beyond. Just got bored of it. The "Hush" mini-series was good but the ongoing has been meh. I might check it out. DC mentioned that it was going to revamp the origin of the character as well, but don't know if that is still happening.

I imagine it'll be Damian training Terry.

 

[Myasishchev]

He is the same writer that wrote the character assassination that did in Cassandra Cain. I avoid his work on principle.

Wasn't he editorially forced into that? I actually forget. And not that that's a pass.

Also, you guys did mean "Beechen," right? Beachman was a short-lived Justice League supporting character who would lose his powers if he went more than an hour without contact with sand.

 

[Admiral_Young]

@scnj...I can only hope. I loved that panel from "Batman #700".

 

[DarKush]

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I would also add Kid Flash and Project: Superman to your list.

I had pretty low expectations for Flashpoint going in, so I can't say it's disappointed me, but it's pretty boring, actually. Especially considering all the build up The Flash had, it seems that they've been prepping this for at least a year or two.

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They've been building up Flash for this for two years? Wow. I'm surprised. It doesn't feel like it. To be fair, I haven't been reading Flash for a long time. I liked Wally West and didn't care about Barry's return.

It's funny but I was considering both. However, I would think that a Kid Flash mini wouldn't make much sense since Flash is an unknown in the Flashpoint universe. So why would he have a side-kick if he didn't exist? As for Project Superman, I was thinking that DC said that Cyborg is supposed to be the Superman-like figure of the FP universe, and bringing the actual Superman into the mix would undercut that. I was hoping that Cyborg would actually get some of that shine DC said he was supposed to, but I have seen little evidence of it.

Finally read #4, not impressed. It seemed like it went from zero to sixty, with this hastily put together team now going against both the Atlanteans and the Amazons. I wish more had gone into showing how some of these guys had a change of heart after initially rejecting Cyborg's request to join forces.

I also didn't get Element Woman. If you're real name is a secret why do you tell everyone that first and then say it's a secret? Plus she didn't do much, nor did Cyborg. It was too much going on, yet it didn't give any of the main characters (Batman, Flash, Cyborg, and Element Woman much to do individually), and adding Shazam added yet another character or characters.

 

[Broccoli]

However, I would think that a Kid Flash mini wouldn't make much sense since Flash is an unknown in the Flashpoint universe. So why would he have a side-kick if he didn't exist?

I think it is the DCU Kid Flash; not a Flashpoint version.

As for Project Superman, I was thinking that DC said that Cyborg is supposed to be the Superman-like figure of the FP universe, and bringing the actual Superman into the mix would undercut that.

Cyborg is the Superman figure in regards to being the hero of heroes, the one all others aspire to be. Bringing in Superman, the character, wouldn't necessarily undercut that as Flashpoint Superman, presumably, is very different.

 

[shivkala]

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They've been building up Flash for this for two years? Wow. I'm surprised. It doesn't feel like it. To be fair, I haven't been reading Flash for a long time. I liked Wally West and didn't care about Barry's return.

Yes. The first arc, which really didn't do much to set-up Flashpoint was pretty damned good. However, from then on, it became basically a long prelude to Flashpoint

It's funny but I was considering both. However, I would think that a Kid Flash mini wouldn't make much sense since Flash is an unknown in the Flashpoint universe. So why would he have a side-kick if he didn't exist?

Just before Flashpoint, an alternate reality Barry Allen came to stop an anomaly from causing everything to change. He assumed it was Barry's grandson, Bart Allen, the current Kid Flash, since Bart was born in the 30th century (as Barry left for the 30th century at the end of his book, prior to Crisis on Infinite Earths. In the 30th Century he and Iris had twins, who had kids of their own (forgive me if this is something you already know, from the tone of your post, it seems like you didn't know this).

Alt-Barry sends Bart into the time-stream and he awakens in the 31st Century...of the Flashpoint timeline. Since the stuff with alt-Barry took place in The Flash, I included it in your list of necessary mini-series since it ties up a plot-point from right before Flashpoint.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ We do have a Flashpoint discussion thread guys Here's an atrocious DC approved radio ad for the New 52! You guys actually get comic related radio adds in the States?

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/08/05/the-dc-comics-new-52-radio-ad-is-quite-abysmal/

 

[scnj]

People still listen to radio?

 

[Admiral_Young]

I listen to talk radio all the time.

 

[JD]

I listen to the radio in the shower and in the car.

 

[Mike Farley]

I don't even own a radio.

 

[JoeZhang]

He is the same writer that wrote the character assassination that did in Cassandra Cain. I avoid his work on principle.

Wasn't he editorially forced into that? I actually forget. And not that that's a pass.

Also, you guys did mean "Beechen," right? Beachman was a short-lived Justice League supporting character who would lose his powers if he went more than an hour without contact with sand.

Just as an aside, part of the problem with critiquing big two comics is that you never know if an odd story choice or a odd bit of characterization is because of the writer or because of editorial demands.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I knew I incorrectly spelled Beechen's last name wrong.

 

[Myasishchev]

I knew I incorrectly spelled Beechen's last name wrong.

I just wanted to make my awful joke.

Just as an aside, part of the problem with critiquing big two comics is that you never know if an odd story choice or a odd bit of characterization is because of the writer or because of editorial demands.

Yeah. I think folks are wising to it, and have become more willing to spread the blame across the entire creative team. An editor is ultimately responsible anyway, and shit in this case should flow uphill. I mean, when your job is to ensure that a comic is good, it's no excuse that you didn't interfere either, right?