The most disappointing Trek Movie..
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Nemesis..hands down is the worst of the movies in direction and story..
to me the entire TNG series of films was a major disappointment..
Damn it, they made a thoughtful show about the characters into action films..and screw the characterizations..We want Picard to be the ultimate bad-ass, butt-kicking action hero..(on a budget)
Beginning with Generations, and sliding into the abyss that is Nemesis..
the TNG films simply were written as if the writers never watched the show..
Star Trek V was as fun as watching a train wreck...because the characters I knew and loved were there..even if everything else was poorly executed...
Nemesis put me to sleep...
enough said..
to me the entire TNG series of films was a major disappointment..
Damn it, they made a thoughtful show about the characters into action films..and screw the characterizations..We want Picard to be the ultimate bad-ass, butt-kicking action hero..(on a budget)
Beginning with Generations, and sliding into the abyss that is Nemesis..
the TNG films simply were written as if the writers never watched the show..
Star Trek V was as fun as watching a train wreck...because the characters I knew and loved were there..even if everything else was poorly executed...
Nemesis put me to sleep...
enough said..
Picard could of provide evidence to back that up right? And there'd be two Picards how to do explain that?
Just like there were two Picards when he came back with Kirk?
The evidence could be found in the missile site on Veridian III and the facilities on the Armagosa Observatory. Picard knows Soran's plan, and a torpedo armed with trilithium could be found there. He could have the Klingons ambushed before they killed the Romulans and question both groups for information about the source of the trilithium.
The Nexus is very flawed. The whole movie is flawed. What's to stop Soran, who is already there there, from doing the same thing that Picard wants to do. Leave the Nexus to fix things the way he wants them to be and yes, there would be 2 Picards. Another thing that always bugged me is when Riker tells Worf that they need a spread of torpedoes, why is only one torpedo fired? With all that being said, I still kinda liked the movie....at least up to the point where Picard goes into the Nexus.
We have no proof of there even being a torpedo launcher on Veridian III beforehand. And if Picard arrives in time to arrest in Ten Forward that means the attack on Amargosa observator already happened, so there's no way Piacard could've had the Klingons ambushed.
And in any event Soran could always break out of prosion years later and try the whole thing all over again.
And Picard didn't even know his ship was destroyed.
It didn't look like a new installation. And even if it was, there was still Soran's secret lab on the Amargosa Observatory with those handy trilithium-tipped torpedoes.
If Picard were to exit early enough to send fair warning to Robert and Rene, he'd have plenty of time to also be in the vicinity of Amargosa before the Romulans attacked. Soran, the Romulans, and eventually the Klingons would all be there. And while Soran and the Klingons wouldn't likely cooperate in an investigation, the Romulans only wanted their trilithium back and might work with the Starfleet crew to gather evidence to prosecute the man responsible for the theft. Even the Duras sisters might roll-over on Soran once he was exposed. That family isn't the most reliable, you know.
So what? By that logic, no one should ever be arrested for attempted murder or arson because they could break out and try again later.
Irrelevant. By acting to save his brother and nephew and capture Soran before he even left Amargosa, the Enterprise wouldn't have been destroyed. It's ridiculous that by the final act, Picard had forgotten all about the information that had so devastated him in act two.
You're talking about what amounts to a 45 minute TV ep. where a massive reset button is pushed at the end and nothing really happened. Picard's pain over losing his brother and nephew were real emotions and it would be selfish of Picard I think to think only of himself. Nor would I want for the first TNG movie to end with a reset button.
The farther back in time Picard goes the more changes to the timeline he'll make which could be disastrous. Look at all the trouble that occured when McCoy saved Edith Keeler's life. Picard made the right decision to go back to the point right before the Nexus scooped him up, if he wants to do the least amount of damage to the timeline.
I don't know how any of the Trek movies could be more disappointing than the fifth one was, coming off the great looking and critically pleasing fourth movie and the entire trilogy of II/III and IV the fif movie was a let down all the way around, really the only high point was Jerry Goldsmith's score.
A week? Come on, man. There's no way he going to cause any trouble to the present by going back a week. There hasn't been enough time for full blow repercussions to sink in.
I think the worst thing about the Nexus is that there's no way of knowing you're out. Maybe Picard just played out an elaborate fantasy since the first one didn't work out.
For me the worst of them all is Generations, it started off nicely then went downhill from then on very quickly and the only reason why I wanted to watch it was because it had Kirk and Picard on screen at the same time which is the only cool factor here otherwise poor story and generally boring 
Going into TMP in 1979, having seen only most of TAS in b/w, and about five eps of TOS, I had no idea TMP borrowed so much from "The Changeling". I loved it!
ST V was an embarrassing mess of self-indulgence. Thank goodness I went with a large group who made that first screening such fun.
"Nemesis" was very disappointing, mainly that the cinema was two-thirds empty... on opening night!
ST V was an embarrassing mess of self-indulgence. Thank goodness I went with a large group who made that first screening such fun.
"Nemesis" was very disappointing, mainly that the cinema was two-thirds empty... on opening night!
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Here's mine, and this is based on when I first saw them in the theater. Except ST5, they hall have grown on me,t o an extent.
1. Star Trek 5: P.U. That is all I have to say!! Nothing redeamable about it. At all.
2. Star Trek Generations: very very underwhelming, when I first saw it. Kirk and Picard meeting should have been a lot more epic, and Kirk should not have died.
3. Star Trek 4: All the hype it got, and I thought it was horrible, when I first saw it.
4. Star Trek Nemesis: I was completely spoiled on the plot, and it still was a disappointment.
5. Star Trek Insurrection: Actually not a bad movie, and probably should have been the first TNG movie, after the series ended. Just the plot was more like a standard TV episode, rather than a movie.
1. Star Trek 5: P.U. That is all I have to say!! Nothing redeamable about it. At all.
2. Star Trek Generations: very very underwhelming, when I first saw it. Kirk and Picard meeting should have been a lot more epic, and Kirk should not have died.
3. Star Trek 4: All the hype it got, and I thought it was horrible, when I first saw it.
4. Star Trek Nemesis: I was completely spoiled on the plot, and it still was a disappointment.
5. Star Trek Insurrection: Actually not a bad movie, and probably should have been the first TNG movie, after the series ended. Just the plot was more like a standard TV episode, rather than a movie.
Not at all. I'm talking about a stupid, 118-minute motion picture where Picard completely forgot about his pain over losing his brother and nephew once he resolved to go back with his personal bodyguard to fight Soran on Veridian III. In no way, shape, or form am I saying Generations should have shown Picard actually rescuing Robert and Rene ... I'm saying the movie, as scripted, had Picard doing something dumb. That's how bad an idea it was. He could have come out anywhere, anywhen he wanted to, and the exit he chose was a blunder.
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