DC to REBOOT???

[shivkala]

The more I pour over those solicits, the more it seems that the Green Lantern and Batman comics just continue on from the old continuity, but the other comics, don't? Batman: The Dark Knight, Batman and Robin, and Batwing all reference Batman Incorporated, an idea that, at least as its presented now, could not have been present during Batman's early days. Neither could Damian. For that matter, Nightwing also seems to be based in the "present."

So, how does that jibe with solicitations such as Justice League or Superman?

The way I see it, either (a) some Batman and Green Lantern titles take place in the current continuity and others take place in the nuDCU continuity or certain titles show us the "past" and others, the "present."

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I dont see why not. When they were brought back in the196s, they were presented as older heroes who retired and inspired by meeting the JLA they went back into action.

Actually, Garrick's Flash was a character that Barry Allen read about in comics when he was a kid - in the early 1950s at the latest. So there you go.

Anyway, since as far as I'm concerned the JSA belong to a very specific and fixed era in time very much as Captain America does, I'm very glad that they're being retired in the new DCU for at least a period of time and we won't see them being retconned into Generic Old Guys in order to fit the modern continuity.

The way I see it, either (a) some Batman and Green Lantern titles take place in the current continuity and others take place in the nuDCU continuity or certain titles show us the "past" and others, the "present."

The comics supposedly take place for the most part within a decade after the first appearance of Superman; according to the creators the first Justice League arc will tell about the group's formation and after that will leap into "The present" about five years later.

A decade is enough for everything in Johns' version of GL to have taken place, up to the present - in fact, a little bit of compression fits his GL better than the notion that Jordan has been GL for decades (Secret Origin directly foreshadows events in later arcs like Blackest Night, for example, in a way that benefits from a certain amount of narrative momentum). And ten years is definitely long enough for there to have been three Robins, with Grayson now in his twenties.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Pretty sure its been stated that the first arc in JL is a flashback to its origin. Action Comics #1 also appears to be a flashback. Superman seems to be set in the present day with a Superman who's an established hero

 

[Nerys Myk]

I dont see why not. When they were brought back in the196s, they were presented as older heroes who retired and inspired by meeting the JLA they went back into action.

Actually, Garrick's Flash was a character that Barry Allen read about in comics when he was a kid - in the early 1950s at the latest. So there you go.

Anyway, since as far as I'm concerned the JSA belong to a very specific and fixed era in time very much as Captain America does, I'm very glad that they're being retired in the new DCU for at least a period of time and we won't see them being retconned into Generic Old Guys in order to fit the modern continuity.

I'm aware that to Barry Allen, Jay was a comic character, until he met him. But when they did meet, Jay was a retired hero ( yes living on another Earth) who along with the JSA came out of retirement after an adventure with Barry.

As long as they're the JSA, they're not "Generic Old Guys".

 

[Thestral]

Hourman has super powers, for an hour at a time.

Well yes, but they're artificial and have nasty side effects.

 

[shivkala]

Pretty sure its been stated that the first arc in JL is a flashback to its origin. Action Comics #1 also appears to be a flashback. Superman seems to be set in the present day with a Superman who's an established hero

Possibly, it's difficult to keep everything straight. This really feels like DC is keeping what they perceive to be working and tossing everything else.

As a fan of The Legion of Super-Heroes for the past 20 years, though, I do hate when they reboot while leaving things hanging.

For instance, if the original Mirror Master's giant mirror from the Blackest Night: Flash mini, as well as the first arc of The Flash doesn't tie into Flashpoint, I wonder what it's purpose was.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hourman has super powers, for an hour at a time.

Well yes, but they're artificial and have nasty side effects.

Still they're superpowers.

Pretty sure its been stated that the first arc in JL is a flashback to its origin. Action Comics #1 also appears to be a flashback. Superman seems to be set in the present day with a Superman who's an established hero

Possibly, it's difficult to keep everything straight. This really feels like DC is keeping what they perceive to be working and tossing everything else.

As a fan of The Legion of Super-Heroes for the past 20 years, though, I do hate when they reboot while leaving things hanging.

For instance, if the original Mirror Master's giant mirror from the Blackest Night: Flash mini, as well as the first arc of The Flash doesn't tie into Flashpoint, I wonder what it's purpose was.

Legion seems to be continuing on from the previous series.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Pretty sure its been stated that the first arc in JL is a flashback to its origin. Action Comics #1 also appears to be a flashback. Superman seems to be set in the present day with a Superman who's an established hero

Possibly, it's difficult to keep everything straight. This really feels like DC is keeping what they perceive to be working and tossing everything else.

Isn't that what you do with EVERY reboot?

 

[Admiral_Young]

Geoff Johns and Jim Lee both said at the Hero Complex thing that their first Justice League arc tells the origin of the team and how they met. It does seem like most of the Batman characters remain the same along with Green Lantern...but others are changing. All of this is very interesting and I will have to say that they have me at least intrigued enough to follow most of it for at least the first arc in most of the books I listed earlier.

 

[Myasishchev]

But at least, they keep the kid's books and Vertigo out of this Relaunch idiocy. But, what's that? John Constantine is a member of Justice League Dark, therefore part of the DCU, but "Hellblazers" is not relaunching? Seriously, I'm confused.

I don't know why this is confusing. Hellblazer is more adult comic, and it's continuing in the Vertigo "Universe", there's just another version of the character being used in the DCU, where I'm sure the tone and the adventures will be quite different.

It's not like the John in the Vertigo comic will talk about his adventures with the Justice League.

Actually, I hope he does, and uses words like "fuckwit" to refer to Batman. That would justify Vertigo's continued existence right there.

 

[Mr Light]

I'm telling you, at the end of Flashpoint, Green Lantern and Batman will be in some distortion-proof temporal field that protects them from continuity changes (since their books are the best selling ones, lol) and the rest will be altered

 

[Myasishchev]

You know what would be really cool, but wouldn't happen? Barry Allen winding up in a padded cell at the end of things in Flashpoint #5, talking about how no one remembers but he will always remember, just like the Psycho-Pirate at the end of Crisis.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Considering that Superman seems to be a "Project" of some kind in the Flashpoint reality I can see him being easily "relaunched" due to that. Also in the normal universe Paul Cornell had the Omega Doomsday or whatever it's called

Spoiler: Supes Dilemema

tear Superman apart literally

in last month's issue of Action Comics.

 

[Myasishchev]

Considering that Superman seems to be a "Project" of some kind in the Flashpoint reality I can see him being easily "relaunched" due to that. Also in the normal universe Paul Cornell had the Omega Doomsday or whatever it's called

Spoiler: Supes Dilemema

tear Superman apart literally

in last month's issue of Action Comics.

If this were the Silver Age, there'd be a

Spoiler: that

team of Super-body parts working together till the end of the issue to fight crime, until the problem was solved, possibly by Batman

.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Yep.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

As long as they're the JSA, they're not "Generic Old Guys".

If they're not the heros of the "Golden Age," they're not the JSA - therefore, Generic Old Guys.

And thankfully, retired by DC rather than reimagined...for now.

 

[Hound of UIster]

Most of them were already retired aka dead. The only exceptions were Wildcat, GL and Flash.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yeah, they fucked around with Alan Scott so-o-o much over the years.

I remember when he first appeared in Green Lantern with Hal, though - so cool. If you knew nothing about the history of GL you could still sense, because of the whimsical details, that he had a real backstory rather than something manufactured. Doiby Dickels?

It was kind of like seeing "The Menagerie" on Star Trek for the first time - there was just enough detail and eccentricity of tone to the Pike flashbacks to make it seem like a "real past" to the current show.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Yeah, they fucked around with Alan Scott so-o-o much over the years.

Have you seen him recently? He's basically wearing a costume that LOOKS like a Lantern. I'll see if I can find a picture. It looks fucking ridiculous.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Oh, I found one:

http://missabnormal.tumblr.com/post/2613710745/new-costume-for-alan-scott-apparently-what

Fucking incredible. Someone approved this?