Why didn't DS9 capture a large audience like all the other Treks?
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Yeah, but I'm assuming that ReadyAndWilling was asking for the title of the episode mic of orion was talking about when he mentioned Sisko going back in time to the 1950s. So I was just giving him the episode title and clarifying that Sisko doesn't technically go back in time in that episode.
ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
yah, i was looking for this one.
Worf was good for DS9. He was always a "fich out of water" character, much like Spock in TOS. He was someone who worked in a culture which sometimes was against his own and had to adapt the same. Actually, I like the Worf character more in DS9, because he was more well rounded, mature, and was an ambassador between the Klingons and the Humans.
I loved the Ferengi episodes. It's cool if you did not, but I did. Moogie, Zek, Brunt and of course, Quark, Nog and Rom. A transformation between a culture that was mygoinistic, capitalist and very conservative who is slowly moving towards enlightement. Very slowly.
The show is very character driven, and unlike other Trek shows dealt a lot on personal relationships and family. Sisko and his son. Quark, his long suffering brother Rom and his son Nog, who grew from a delinquent child into a competant and responsible person and officer. Dukat and his troubled, but loving (if in the wrong way) relationship with his daughter, and only child (unless I am wrong). O'Brien being a family man with two kids and a wife who doesn't want to be there. Kira and her love for Odo. Bashir and his problems with relationships (which perplexed Trekkie chicks, who would bed this guy and go Dominion on his beautiful man body.)
I own all the DVD's from all the series but the last one Enterprise. Of TOS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager, I watch and enjoy more of the DS9 episodes than any of the others. Some of the DS9 eps were garbage, but most were excellent, exciting and interesting, and most importantly, not stupid (example of a stupid ep from TNG when Picard, Guinan and the first Bajoran chick came back as children was stooooopid. Don't get me started on the black MC Hammer dudes from Ligon II). I do this with other series I own like "The Office". Some eps are great, others suck. I was watching Voyager yesterday, flip, flip, great epsisode, flip, great episode, flip, flip, or cool, another one. I live in China and bought the box set for $5 bucks.
If you ask any hard core trekker/trekkie, "Which is your favorite Trek show?" 90% will say DS9. 9 out of 10. Next time you are at a convention, a con, or somewhere like that, ask that question. The repsonse, DS9 DS9 DS9 DS9, guaranteed.
I loved the Ferengi episodes. It's cool if you did not, but I did. Moogie, Zek, Brunt and of course, Quark, Nog and Rom. A transformation between a culture that was mygoinistic, capitalist and very conservative who is slowly moving towards enlightement. Very slowly.
The show is very character driven, and unlike other Trek shows dealt a lot on personal relationships and family. Sisko and his son. Quark, his long suffering brother Rom and his son Nog, who grew from a delinquent child into a competant and responsible person and officer. Dukat and his troubled, but loving (if in the wrong way) relationship with his daughter, and only child (unless I am wrong). O'Brien being a family man with two kids and a wife who doesn't want to be there. Kira and her love for Odo. Bashir and his problems with relationships (which perplexed Trekkie chicks, who would bed this guy and go Dominion on his beautiful man body.)
I own all the DVD's from all the series but the last one Enterprise. Of TOS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager, I watch and enjoy more of the DS9 episodes than any of the others. Some of the DS9 eps were garbage, but most were excellent, exciting and interesting, and most importantly, not stupid (example of a stupid ep from TNG when Picard, Guinan and the first Bajoran chick came back as children was stooooopid. Don't get me started on the black MC Hammer dudes from Ligon II). I do this with other series I own like "The Office". Some eps are great, others suck. I was watching Voyager yesterday, flip, flip, great epsisode, flip, great episode, flip, flip, or cool, another one. I live in China and bought the box set for $5 bucks.
If you ask any hard core trekker/trekkie, "Which is your favorite Trek show?" 90% will say DS9. 9 out of 10. Next time you are at a convention, a con, or somewhere like that, ask that question. The repsonse, DS9 DS9 DS9 DS9, guaranteed.
Very.
He had 7 other children with his wife.I doubt that. This board skews towards DS9 more than most Trek boards, but even here DS9 only gets around 40% when put to a poll.
When I talk about Star Trek, everyone i know says, "Oh, yeah. Mr. Spock and his 'live long for the empire' or something" and try to do the Vulcan salute. They know about Picard and Kirk, but nobody really mentions Sisko or Janeway.
Is the woman you are talking about Janeway? Because a lot of people know who seven of nine is too.
I am surpised on how many people my age (30-35) know TNG as back in those days, TNG was one of say, five things on TV, and a lot of families let there kids watch TNG as it was very family friendly and I have friends who I never would expect will stop on TNG episodes for reason of reliving a bit of there childhood.
By the time DS9 rolled around, TV had already changed. Though most of my friends who are trek fans LOVE DS9, and it is the one show outside the original that I can watch without cringing too much. (Even the bad episodes of DS9, except for two, I can find good points (Lace and the Risa episode I cannot)
By the time DS9 rolled around, TV had already changed. Though most of my friends who are trek fans LOVE DS9, and it is the one show outside the original that I can watch without cringing too much. (Even the bad episodes of DS9, except for two, I can find good points (Lace and the Risa episode I cannot)
ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
didn't George Takei say DS9 was the polar opposite of the universe Roddenbery imagined?
Roddenberry was a communist. DS9 was the truth of the matter, people have different opinions and wants in life, just because some people might want a utopian society without money or greed or war or deviance. Doesn't mean every one of their neighbors will agree with it and accept it.
Jim
ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
i used to think this too, but i feel it's more accurate to say he wanted a society based on free will with socialist principles. communism is all about force.
Communism is only about force at the start, once the society accepts it, there is little force needed to maintain it. Especially when the people are just peasants. Similar to what we see with Star Trek when everyone is really just a peasant. They might be dressed, well fed, and in a state of contentment for their lives, but no one really owns anything special, and without money cause the Federation provides everything needed, they are still just peasants.
Its something the Marquis learned to forget, by being so far away from the core, they had no ability to really depend on the Federation and had to live their own lives through hard work. While core planets had simply passed the time the best they could and kept busy as everything else they needed was given to them.
It it is not only communism, but the peak of it, when people have accepted Big brother and continued to live their lives feeding off the Governments hand outs without asking questions or deviating for the most part. And thouse that do as we have seen, that the Federation imprisons anyone who disagrees with them and tries to do something different. As there are so many regulations that it seems any kind of deviance is already illegal.
DS9 had a lot of internal conflicts with its characters as they slowly came to terms that their utopia was nothing more then a thin vernier that really isn't what the galaxy (or world) is really about. Which pushed it away from the communist utopia Roddenberry wanted to show.
Jim
Its something the Marquis learned to forget, by being so far away from the core, they had no ability to really depend on the Federation and had to live their own lives through hard work. While core planets had simply passed the time the best they could and kept busy as everything else they needed was given to them.
It it is not only communism, but the peak of it, when people have accepted Big brother and continued to live their lives feeding off the Governments hand outs without asking questions or deviating for the most part. And thouse that do as we have seen, that the Federation imprisons anyone who disagrees with them and tries to do something different. As there are so many regulations that it seems any kind of deviance is already illegal.
DS9 had a lot of internal conflicts with its characters as they slowly came to terms that their utopia was nothing more then a thin vernier that really isn't what the galaxy (or world) is really about. Which pushed it away from the communist utopia Roddenberry wanted to show.
Jim
I don't understand why some people are fans of Star Trek. They see...uh...different things then the rest of us. More power to them I guess. LOL
Lol.
Got any proof for your communist derail? Otherwise, it looks like the rantings of just another person on the internet.
I don't know if this has been talked about in the thread because I only skimmed through and did want to read all 12 pages but I think the main big problem wit shows like DS9 and B5 who have epic arc story lines embedded in many characters that a lot of average people tend to get bored because they want an answer NOW and not have to wait several seasons to get it, Also a major problem with epic arc stories is that new viewers who start lets say a 3rd of the way can not really get into the arc story and have to back track so they loose interest, generally viewers like a nice simple story that ends quickly hence why shows like TNG who are episodic driven tend to work well and don't have very complicated network of connecting story lines. Also I think (not sure) that people are kind of bored with Wars in Sci-Fi shows where Earth & Humanity are under threat because they have been done over and over I just think people want to tune in to a new series that has exploration and adventure with new gadgets, aliens and worlds we have seen plenty of pirate races running a mock on the cosmic ocean, anyways that's my thoughts on the thread
