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X-MEN: FIRST CLASS (Casting, Rumors, Pics till release)

BTW, Cable means link or thread that holds things together. As he is a link to the past & well as the future and links certain X-Men & villains destinys together.
Seriously?????? Were they thinking that far ahead when he showed up? Or is that all retrofitting?
 
Making the X-Men international was a major aim in replacing the original line-up, when the comic book was revived in issue #94. I'm extremely disappointed that Banshee will not be Irish in the film, since it is contrary to this theme of internationalization under which his character was introduced into the X-Men in the first place.

Having Americanized characters played by foreign actors does not "balance it out." It just makes the Americanization all the more absurd.

Hopefully, the movie won't suffer for this absurdity.

If anything, Americanizing the characters will probably help the movie move away from absurdity if you consider the time period of the film and that it appears that they are, in some part, working for the US Gov't.
 
If anything, Americanizing the characters will probably help the movie move away from absurdity if you consider the time period of the film and that it appears that they are, in some part, working for the US Gov't.

Meh.

In 1962, the threat of communism was world wide, and the United Nations had already been a major player in the Korean War. Communist expansionism threatened Europe and Asia directly, as well as the United States.

A little preaching of multilateralism is appropriate for today. It would also have been appropriate in 1962, since if people had thought more in those terms then, it might have spared the United States from the quagmire of Vietnam.

We'll see soon enough how much it helps or hurts the film.
 
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I like how folks are complaining that the characters have been Americanized, but how many of them are being played by Brit or European actors? I think that balances it all out.

I would like to have seen Banshee played by an Irish actor. But once they got an American to play him, I'd rather see him just do his normal accent, than listen to another Tommy Lee Jones/ Richard Gere/ Tom Cruise mangling of an attempted Irish accent.

Of course, I've always thought that the character is a bit silly, not least of all in that in Irish mythology a Banshee is actually female.

Yeah, Syren should have been named Banshee.

I just figured since there are some scenes of them in the UK, unless it was just shot there and meant to be seen as another location in the context of the movie, then that would have been where Moira and Sean would be recruited.

As I understand it, Banshee was originally supposed to be a woman but Stan Lee didn't want to do a female villain. I read that once.

I've posted before I've hated efforts to "internationalize" Captain America and GI Joe so at least I think I'm being consistent. At their best, the X-Men are an international team and I think if they wanted to do the American X-Men, they should have done it on the original five.
 
I see nothing creative about "cool" names that are meaningless.

That's nice.
I'm even sure why this is important to the conversation to keep repeating it.:cardie:
Because its my point of view and I'm defending it with examples.
Your point of view was never being questioned.

I was addressing the meaning behind the names, not whether anybody liked them or not. I heard what you said and replied to each his own. ;)
 
"Cyclops" doesn't even make any sense unless Scott Summers has only one eye. The only reason he's called that is because his visor makes him look one-eyed.

Really, people read way too much into codenames/superhero names. Most of the time they're just picked because they sound cool and I'm fine with that.
I thought the codename are on;y when they wear uniforms to protect their identity? Remember how they started off wearing masks?

Wouldn't he be Scott Summer's out of it and Cyclops in it to protect his identity? Weren't the X-Men a covert team of freedom fighters when they started? Don't they hide their identity so it isn't linked back to the school? Don't they hide their identity because if the world at large knew Scott Summer was a mutant, he's be hunted and killed?
 
That's nice.
I'm even sure why this is important to the conversation to keep repeating it.:cardie:
Because its my point of view and I'm defending it with examples.
Your point of view was never being questioned.

I was addressing the meaning behind the names, not whether anybody liked them or not. I heard what you said and replied to each his own. ;)
You said it was "creative" so I had to disagree. Which is different than me thinking they are lame. ;)

Wouldn't he be Scott Summer's out of it and Cyclops in it to protect his identity? Weren't the X-Men a covert team of freedom fighters when they started? Don't they hide their identity so it isn't linked back to the school? Don't they hide their identity because if the world at large knew Scott Summer was a mutant, he's be hunted and killed?
They were covert, but I wouldn't call them "freedom fighters". Originally Xavier was working with the government. The kill the muties hysteria came a bit later.
 
I could have accused you of 'not getting' respect for other people's cultures or languages, but I've attempted to conduct the debate civilly instead of simply throwing out insults and accusations.

You could and you'd be proven wrong every time.

Proven? Where's the proof? You've simply stated your views and singularly and repetitively repeatd them without ever addressing the questions I've raised. Incidentally, I love how I'm being lectured on issues of language by someone who doesn't even know the difference between 'to' and 'too.' Please elaborate on this 'proof', because I've yet to see it.


The fact that I've already stated in this thread that I feel it's wrong to remove characters accents due tio the fact that it robs the film of the X-Men theme of diversity, confirms that I have a very good grasp of cultures and languages. I am also founding member of a Diversity Committee that offers monthly social & economic aid to ALL in my county no matter what race, creed or culture. Due to it, it's part of my job to know and understand other cultures. I live in one of the most densely populated/muliti-cultural places in the world.

Again, since this conversation arises from the subject of language, may I just point out that you should be saying "characters' accents." And the word you're looking for in the next sentence is 'to' not 'tio', which is a latin word for 'your.'

And frankly, I fail to see how this 'confirms' anything, beyond you having a view on the accents of certain comic book characters. You certainly seem to have little or no respect on the Irish language, on the basis of your posts so far. Of course, on the basis of your mangling of the English language, I guess Irish shouldn't feel too offended.

As to your little group, woop-de-doo for you. I'm so impressed. Incidentally, can you say how many Gailegeors are on it?

^ By exodus' logic, Lady Deathstrike ought to be male.
I'm not the one that can't see past gender and accept a man having the codename Banshee, like millions have for years.
I swear, such trivial things.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I think it's pretty safe to say that most of those millions are, by and large, aware that the word 'Lady' applies to females. They are less likely to be aware that the word 'Banshee' is generally used, in its native tongue, in relation exclusively to women. It's not a question of seeing past gender, it's a question of understanding a word's true meaning.

So, let me put it like this, since you failed to answer the question the first time. Would you accept the codename 'Lady Deathstrike' being used in relation to a male character? Yes or no?

Incidentally, I love how you turn around and casually accuse someone you don't know of having no respect for diversity and of being trivial, while constantly trying to take the moral high ground and ignoring your own blindspot about other peoples' cultures. I'm reminded of the time you basically accused me of being racist because I had the temerity to suggest that Halle Berry wasn't a box-office draw before X-Men 1.

Perhaps you ought to take the mote out of your own eye before you start throwing accusations around at other people.
 
Really, people read way too much into codenames/superhero names. Most of the time they're just picked because they sound cool and I'm fine with that.

Nonetheless, "Banshee" is still an inherently silly name for a male superhero (not unlike calling a female character "Incubus" or "Satyr"). And pointing out the sillier names is always fun.

Of course, aside from the gender Banshee's a pretty solid name.
 
Yeah 6 pages later! For the people that don't like the length of the thread, you sure make it longer!

I like the short character trailers as well, for not only do they show a bit about the young folks, but also yes the ideologies that will split Xavier and Magneto, too. Nice. Supposedly, this is also been submitted as PG-13 at 140 minutes, so plenty of time to get into the relationships and issues.

And I do agree about Banshee being a weird name for a guy. I figured it was akinning his sonic sounds to the ghostly howls and wails, but there could have been something better. It is kind of like calling a guy a Mermaid if he has a fishtail. ;)
 
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