Christians - Does This Upset You?
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They are closing down all over according to FB, there used to be a lot of them and now there are only 3.
http://www.facebook.com/HellPizzaAustralia
http://www.facebook.com/HellPizzaAustralia
I find it stupid rather than offensive, but I understand why some would be offended.
This part I agree with. Crapping on people of faith (particularly, it seems, Christians) is so commonplace at this point it's like water off a duck's back to me. Unfortunately.
So then, should I, as an American, be "bitterly amused" or offended at all the silly advertising that trivializes images of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and other American symbols on President's Day? Or are you one of those who believe that Christians should have a special exemption?
It's too lame to be offensive in my view, but I wouldn't buy from them because of the ad is so juvenile.
In Weston-super-Mare we used to order our pizza from a pizza and fish 'n chip shop called the Star Chip Enterprise. Apart from having an awesome name they made the best pizzas in town.
In Weston-super-Mare we used to order our pizza from a pizza and fish 'n chip shop called the Star Chip Enterprise. Apart from having an awesome name they made the best pizzas in town.
In North Carolina it would be the same, fortunately we still have values (mostly). It is defying death to insult or even portray Mohammed, but it is always open season on Christianity... I call BS.
The ad does out of it's way to be offensive to a specific group... Christians. If an ad went to the same lengths to target Atheists, the posts from many here would be much different.
It is small wonder they are down to 3 stores.
Oh look a Muslim... let's keep an eye on him, he must be a terrorist!
It's not like the Christians don't crap on other people's faith.
^So just because a minority of Christians slam Muslims it's all right to slam all Christians? Not what I'd call a mature attitude. As far as I'm concerned the advert could have been a deliberate insult to any belief system and it would be equally juvenile.
Maybe I'm reading your words in the wrong way, because you seem to suggest that Christians (and virtuous North Carolinians in particular) should arm themselves and enact some shooting and exploding vengeance, as their "cousins" in the Middle East do. Am I wrong?
Yeah, because sure I haven't never read or see any anti-atheist comments anywhere! However I'm curious, what would be the same "length" the advertising should go in targeting atheists? Call them "Atheist Buns" and show an empty picture? Oh, the sheer uproar there will be... not.
There's a significant difference between the two categories. The one involves political figures which by tradition have always been ridiculed. The other focuses upon the central figure of a religion based upon a close spiritual relationship with the central divinity.
They are down to 3 stores in Australia. They seemed to have quite a few supply problems in Australia which aren't related to the advertising.
They are up to 64 stores in New Zealand, and also have a small amount of stores in Canada (Vancouver), Ireland (Dublin) and the UK.
According to Wikipedia the Hell theme is used throughout their marketing
The Hell theme is used throughout their marketing - for instance:
- Seven of the pizzas are named after the seven deadly sins.
- The dessert and drinks sections on their menu are named ambrosia and nectar respectively.
- The stores have custom wallpaper, lava lights, flaming seats and wicked chandeliers
- The large pizza boxes have a cut-out of a coffin, "for your remains."
- The anti-litter message on the box says to "dispose of the evidence."
There have also been complaints about them using the phrase "sell your soul". However the board that investigates compliants say that it is a common saying.
Hell Pizza also bought the soul of one man for $5001.
Hell Pizza did apologise for one of their advertising campaigns
They dont offend me. I like pizza!
I don't really think Christians get to pat yourselves on the back for not going on murderous rampages over slights as the dominant religious group in a wealthy country with full religious freedom, plenty of educational and job opportunities, no current foreign occupying force, and no extensive history of foreign occupation and interference.
Which doesn't make what they did in Afghanistan right in the slightest, but it's not something Christians in America should really take pride in or hold up as an example of how much better they are given all the opportunities they've grown up with here, as opposed to someone with little or no education, no job, no money, and living in an occupied land where it's very easy for those with a violent or hateful agenda to influence them.
It reminds me of the Chris Rock bit with people wanting credit for shit they're supposed to do like taking care of their kids or not going to jail where he says "What do you want, a cookie? You low-expectation having motherfuckers."
This whole "well, at least we don't go on murderous rampages" shtick would also carry a lot more weight if some American Christian evangelicals weren't, you know, actually encouraging murderous rampages against gays overseas in places like Uganda, weren't so gung ho to bomb the shit out of Iraqis and others, weren't encouraging the murder of abortion doctors and bombing of abortion clinics, weren't involved in domestic terrorism, didn't claim natural disasters were God's punishment for whatever they're opposed to, and so forth. Yes, it's just a small percentage of Christians and yes the Muslim faith has a much larger problem with many of those issues right now, but I'd hold off on the dick measuring contest and self-congratulation for having basic civility.
Your emphasis on "DARING" implies that you don't think it's a big deal to draw Muhammad, but to most Muslims it is (and the Danish cartoons did more than just draw him in several cases). Which is not to say either should be banned or that violence should result from them, but it comes off a tad hypocritical to say I consider disrespecting Jesus wrong but who cares about disrespecting Muhammad? Both the makers of the Muhammad cartoons and Piss Christ knew they were creating something controversial that would offend many people before they did it.
Is there really any significant movement telling you you don't have the right to be offended by a crucified Christ in a jar of urine or a sacrilegious pizza-shop pastry? Just because RJ says people should get a sense of humor about it doesn't make it law or even commonplace. If you want to be offended by it, be offended.
But for the love of God I wish you guys would quit whining about Christians being a persecuted underclass who can't complain about things that offend them. Unless you live in 3rd Century Rome or somewhere like Sudan, you aren't persecuted for being a Christian. Is anyone stopping you from complaining in this thread? Did anyone censor the newspaper article in the OP? Does anyone stop pundits from pretending there's a secular progressive war on Christianity? No one is silencing you. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Just out of curiosity, how many churches in your area have been protested for no other reason than just existing or being under construction, seeing as how it's open season on Christianity?
North Carolina
Elsewhere
Says the guy who's bitter about atheists and brings them up in a completely unrelated thread, and felt compelled to go complain about them in their own thread, too.
Again, where's the groundswell of posts telling you you can't complain or be offended by this?
I find the lack of funny more offensive than the sacrilege. But then, it goes with their gimmick, which is a little more amusing. 
And a little bit of sacrilege is a good thing now and then.
I dunno, I think the freedom to ridicule is at its greatest in most North Atlantic countries, wouldn't you say?
And a little bit of sacrilege is a good thing now and then.I dunno, I think the freedom to ridicule is at its greatest in most North Atlantic countries, wouldn't you say?
Which suggests that religion should have special privileges; I don't think that it should.
I don't know about you, but there's stuff like that that crosses the line in my book, too--that is, if it goes in the direction of dishonoring the tragedies and sacrifices we have in our history. Simply caricaturing a political figure doesn't bother me. But there are certain things that I get very irritated with.
One of the most aggravating I've seen so far was one when I was driving through Tennessee and it was an ad to visit Shiloh. They're advertising to come see the place this horrific battle was fought and the picture is of this smiling family and the whole ad is geared towards having a GREAT TIME.
Excuse me?
Do these people have ANY idea how many Americans died slaughtering their fellow Americans? That is hallowed ground, a graveyard, and the site of a horrible, horrible tragedy.
That is NOT a place to go "to have a good time." That is a place to go to get close to history and to teach each generation what the price of civil war would be if we ever got close to that again.
UGH. I don't care that it was the 1860s when that happened. It is so immensely disrespectful to the sacrifices made by so many, and to what we are SUPPOSED to learn--the sheer horror of brother against brother--that it makes my blood boil every time I see it.
The history of the Battle of Shiloh:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shiloh