England vs America? Plus Capt. Jack doesn't do it to freak people out, he does it because...umm...he has an immortal libido!
Lack of LGBT characters and the "magic bullet"
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England vs America? Plus Capt. Jack doesn't do it to freak people out, he does it because...umm...he has an immortal libido!
I used to live in Thailand when I was little with my grandparents, and believe me, there are far more pressing matter, like, genocidal maniacs, starvation in the third world and war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Normal people just don't go out and kill other people base on a shallow reason like that.... Maybe psychopaths will.... If you like ST and it's ideal and philosophy, then you know what I'm saying is true.
If...for some reason the writers want to include a gay or several gay characters to the movies, then they better set a good example for young people who are gay or bisexual...not some trashy stereotypes that the medias keep perpetuating on TV and movies.... The UK seems to do quite well in this manner. I like that show "Skins", the UK version, a lot. However, I can hardly say the same for the U.S. version....
Maybe you are right, though! Maybe they should include gay characters in the movies or television series and set good examples for younger viewers.
How about this: Lwaxana meets Captain Jack, and strikes a bet with him over who can get Picard first.
No, they'll just do things like pass laws preventing people from marrying, or fire them from jobs for not having the right gender expression, or harass them.
Don't sit there and try to claim that LGBTs don't face rampant, widespread oppression. They do.
How about this: Lwaxana meets Captain Jack, and strikes a bet with him over who can get Picard first.
Brilliant!
"Numbah one, when did I gain this much sex appeal?"
Bullshit.
Wikipedia said:
It was only in 2002 that the Health Ministry declared that homosexuality is not a mental disorder, and only in 2005 that Thailand lifted its ban on gays in the military.
LGBTs in Thailand are not equal before the law or in society. They are oppressed.
You know nothing of Thailand...! People over there do not hate gay and transgenders, or other people for that matter. A lot of people here and in other western countries fly to Thailand for sex-changed operations.... They are possibly the most laid back people in the world. They pride themselves on being a peaceful and tolerant nation. It's not like how they portray aliens on "Enterprise"! My cousin's son is trans-sexual and he's happy living over there. I've never heard of gay people and transvestites getting killed over there.
Then why can't they get married?
Besides...in the real world people need to eat, pay their mortgage, make car payments and insurance. If the ratings dropped, they all could possibly loose their jobs.
That's something people over here don't understand.... Sacrificing other people's livelihood for your pride and believes is not honorable; It is self-fish and egotistical.... Everything has it's own place and time....
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I'm not saying every single Thai hates gays. I'm not saying most are out to hurt them. I'm not even saying that Thais in general don't have a better attitude about LGBT rights than Westerners in general do.
But until LGBT Thais have complete legal equality, you can't honestly argue they're not oppressed.
I definitely understand the need to be careful with a potential character like this.
If it makes the character look buffoonish, I agree, forget it.
The last thing wanted is for LGBT characters to be objects of ridicule.
Lwaxana was... let's just say it - obnoxious, but she liked Picard and at times it was obvious she was just playing with him.
And that's what made it humorus.... Picard usually seemed so prim and proper, similar to Spock, when it came to something like flirtation.
My main idea was how Lwaxana could make the great Picard blush with a simple little comment-because she knew she got under his skin.
If a 24th century Trek character, who happens to be gay, is confident and he or she likes someone, they may want to flirt like anyone else.
Otherwise it can be like "ah he's or she's gay, but make sure he or she doesn't flirt-and get turned down, it won't look right" sort of thing.
I mean if the issue of preference comes up, how would they handle it? Humor, seriousness or hard core drama?
Now it doesn't HAVE to come up of course, but we saw what happened in "The "Host" however.
If it makes the character look buffoonish, I agree, forget it.
The last thing wanted is for LGBT characters to be objects of ridicule.
Lwaxana was... let's just say it - obnoxious, but she liked Picard and at times it was obvious she was just playing with him.
And that's what made it humorus.... Picard usually seemed so prim and proper, similar to Spock, when it came to something like flirtation.
My main idea was how Lwaxana could make the great Picard blush with a simple little comment-because she knew she got under his skin.
If a 24th century Trek character, who happens to be gay, is confident and he or she likes someone, they may want to flirt like anyone else.
Otherwise it can be like "ah he's or she's gay, but make sure he or she doesn't flirt-and get turned down, it won't look right" sort of thing.
I mean if the issue of preference comes up, how would they handle it? Humor, seriousness or hard core drama?
Now it doesn't HAVE to come up of course, but we saw what happened in "The "Host" however.
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If the issue does come up, they should make it humorous.... I'm sure people in the 24th have a sense of humor...unless they're part of Vulcan! [laugh] 
Like I said: people need to lighten up and not take themselves and what other people say too seriously, unless they have to be serious. That's why they're so many wars.
Like I said: people need to lighten up and not take themselves and what other people say too seriously, unless they have to be serious. That's why they're so many wars.
I don't think it's a pressing matter.... How many massacres you hear about happen because of sexual orientation? People are not going to go out and kill people, who they never met, just for something as insignificant as their sexual orientation. That's how serial killers think. Usually, people who are killed are killed by someone they know, or someone who is a psychopath, that disagree with that particular person believes, ethnicity, genders because they themselves were/are affected by it. That's why I said people who kill gays and transgenders are probably themselves gays but can't admit it to themselves. Like I said before: there are far more pressing matters, like, genocidal egomaniac, starvation, and wars....
My cousin can't marry the woman she loves because people don't think her rights are a pressing matter. Fuck "it's not a pressing matter." That's oppression -- and that's also deciding that her rights aren't as important as yours because she's gay and, well, hey, it's no big deal to not give equal rights to gays. You're just apologizing for oppression when you say that.
And if Thailand is enlightened enough that that is not the case, then great. But in most of the world, LGBTs face the very real threat of violence and death, and you're kidding yourself if you think that's not the case.
Again, that's different. Captain Jack is a badass.
And yet, a likeable character. Although I am not fluent in "Whovinese", I do like Capt. Jack but to have his "Bisexualism" routed into him being purely a homosexual actually pisses me off that this is a "step" for Homosexuals trying to be accepted in mainstream.Again, that's different. Captain Jack is a badass.
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