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Recognize, yes. Accurately quote... Well, that takes some learning. Would Kirk learn the words if it weren't required reading for him? And if it is required reading, what does it tell about the society Kirk grew in?

1) That Iowans are expected to know and respect what their American ancestors achieved?
2) That Earthlings are expected to know and respect what their Earthling ancestors achieved, regardless of whether they were one's direct ancestors or the folks who slaughtered one's direct ancestors?
3) That accurate quoting of historical documents (and, say, great poetry and religious texts) is considered part of the general educational program, regardless of the documents' relation to the individual?

That’s what’s expected of students today. Why should it be significantly different 200 years in the future?

Education, after all, is about broadening one’s horizons and learning about the world at large and the surrounding culture. It isn’t all about you or what you think pertains to your life. And the individual’s ancestry is irrelevant.

Many of the characters seem able to quote at least short snippets of the Bible, without being portrayed as particularly Christian.
Most English-speaking people today can quote at least a few brief passages from the King James Bible, regardless of their personal faith or lack thereof. Again, why should it be much different two centuries from now?
 
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of America.

From memory.
 
That’s what’s expected of students today. Why should it be significantly different 200 years in the future?

The thing is, learning of other people's words by rote is actually a fairly rare phenomenon in modern educational systems in Europe. Students may do it as a hobby in places, but I've never heard of people of my generation being expected to learn literature that way here in Finland or Sweden, or in northern Germany, or in the Balkans, and it apparently isn't that big in Spain, either.

It sounds like a very British thing, really, at least per popular culture references. It goes against a couple of modern values by assuming that a) bygone people were better than us, b) their supposed wisdom needs to be carried over with each syllable accurately reproduced, and c) once adopted, the wisdom should be mentally preserved in the "original" (although in practice much-mangled) form rather than adapted for modern considerations.

There's no comparable text a Finn would need to learn by rote, no pledge of allegiance, no ancient wording of a founding document. There are songs and poems that are voluntary material (say, the national anthem), and a couple of catchphrases that help you through modern political satire, but only students of literature would be expected to know their Shakespeare or national writers, and even they never have any practical use for that knowledge anyway.

This is a modern phenomenon, to be sure - a counterreaction to centuries of doing it the British way. It would well be possible for the learning by rote to be abandoned worldwide within the next 200 years and condemned as counterproductive. Or then it might bounce back if we see TOS as representing a society where conservative British values are once again on the rise.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I'm sure there are some people here that can quote passages of the Articles of the Federation from the TOS Technical Manual. Just sayin'.
 
All our brains will be connected then if we're alive, so memorization won't be a problem.
 
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of America.

From memory.

From this. :D

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TXJRZ4CFc[/yt]
 
We will be the Borg. Our biological and technological distinctiveness will be assimilated to serve the collective. Resistance will be futile.

GR predicted us becoming a social organism and thought it ok. Had to make the Borg scary for tv.

(In his Last Inteviews.)
 
We will be the Borg. Our biological and technological distinctiveness will be assimilated to serve the collective. Resistance will be futile.

Let's leave out the references to TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise, shall we?

This thread is about an episode from TOS. Not one from the aforementioned useless spinoffs, which nearly put an end to Star Trek(i.e. Rick Berman's mishandling of the franchise).

So, on that note, let's stick to the main topic thread, shall we?
 
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of America.

From memory.

From this. :D

I will admit, it helped. ;)
 
let's stick to the main topic thread
These threads do seem to wonder about the landscape don't they?

learning of other people's words by rote
Kirk's reciting the preamble would seem to go beyond simply rote memorization, he pretty clearly understand the words, based upon from his subsequent statements to Cloud Williams and the assembled Yangs.

Why wouldn't Kirk recognize its flag and Constitution?
Will Riker not only recognize the US flag, he (apparently) correct identified the time period in American history it came from by the number of stars on the field. This was a near century after Jim Kirk's recognition. But then Captain Picard did once refer to the United States of America as Will Riker's "country."

:)
 
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