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That's why they call it the blues (Paths of Disharmony SPOILERS)

As the ambassador pointed out, nothing's going to happen to the Andorians who happened to vote against secession

Really? Hmm. That is interesting. And good news, I guess. Was it an Andorian ambassador who said this?

The Andorian ambassador to the Federation, to President Bacco, yes

Andor's going to remain a pluralistic society, if one marked by political violence
But not physical violence? Not fighting in the streets or anything like that? In the Khitomer Alliance thread, I asked about non-Andorian Federation citizens on Andor - those visiting, or who had business or other appointments there. I take it they aren't in danger?

The ambassador asked for the withdrawal of official Federation and Starfleet personnel, but I don't know about the extent to which this extends to Federation citizens. They were advised to leave during the worst of the pre-secession conflict, that I know.

It isn't cutting off all ties to the Federation or to the wider universe; it's just opting for a unilateral redesign.
I see. So the Federation still has diplomatic relations, of a kind, with Andor?

Has Andor actually joined the Typhon Pact? If not yet, are they contemplating it?

All the ambassador said was that Andor would be keeping communications open with the Typhon Pact powers, a couple of paragraphs before saying that Andor wasn't cutting off all ties with the Federation, "merely" redefining them to better suit Andor's needs.

Andorian membership in the Typhon Pact strikes me as unlikely. The relationship with the Federation hasn't panned out, but the welcome unexpected help from one of the Andorians' traditional enemies doesn't make them overnight friends.
 
If that's true, how would this effect Pava on Titan? I highly doubt she would leave and go back to Andor. Plus she's too far away for an Andorian to try to come and take her back. I'm just interested in if this will be mentioned in the next Titan novel.
 
Mr. Leisner, sometimes these little items seem to be plotted out ahead of time(even if not so) I thought that given both of their recent losses and the scene in the Jefferies tube(AFAIR), that might be the start of an evolving relationship between them.
 
As the ambassador pointed out, nothing's going to happen to the Andorians who happened to vote against secession

Really? Hmm. That is interesting. And good news, I guess. Was it an Andorian ambassador who said this?

The Andorian ambassador to the Federation, to President Bacco, yes

Is that ambassador *still* the ambassador? Does Andor still maintain diplomatic relations with the Federation?
 
^ Did the ambassador seem *angry* when having this discussion with the president?

It was a civil exchange, if that's what you mean, although from Bacco's perspective he did seem a bit condescending.

Of course, while I don't think it was mentioned explicitly, I assumed he was an ambassador with ties to the Visionist Party anyway. In other words, he was probably a die-hard Visionist who had likely been waiting to make a few condescending comments about the UFP for years, and was appointed by ministers who were equally pro-secession. His attitude no doubt mirrors that of the people who appointed him, not the general attitude of Andor as a whole. A Modern Progressive ambassador wouldn't have been ever-so-slightly-smug, I imagine.
 
I would think given Andors location, deep in the core worlds of the Federation that it would present huge security concerns for the UFP were Andor to actually join the TP.

It's doubtful Starfleet would want to open a 'corridor' that would allow Typhon Pact vessels access into the very heart of UFP space.

Not going to happen.
 
Andor still maintains diplomatic relations with the Federation, yes, it just seceded.

There probably wasn't much reworking that had to be done, since even now European Union member-states have their own diplomatic missions to the European Union in Brussels, complete with Ambassador-rank permanent representatives. All it would take is some filing off of old names on the stationery.

Of course, while I don't think it was mentioned explicitly, I assumed he was an ambassador with ties to the Visionist Party anyway. In other words, he was probably a die-hard Visionist who had likely been waiting to make a few condescending comments about the UFP for years, and was appointed by ministers who were equally pro-secession. His attitude no doubt mirrors that of the people who appointed him, not the general attitude of Andor as a whole. A Modern Progressive ambassador wouldn't have been ever-so-slightly-smug, I imagine.

Point.
 
I would think given Andors location, deep in the core worlds of the Federation that it would present huge security concerns for the UFP were Andor to actually join the TP.

I'm sure the Typhon Pact is salivating over exactly that. It would be a perfect opportunity for them to strike at the very heart of Federation space.

It's doubtful Starfleet would want to open a 'corridor' that would allow Typhon Pact vessels access into the very heart of UFP space.

Not going to happen.

If Andor wants to join the Pact, what could the Federation possibly do to stop them? The Federation has no jurisdiction over worlds that are not members.
 
If Andor wants to join the Pact, what could the Federation possibly do to stop them? The Federation has no jurisdiction over worlds that are not members.

Quite a bit I'd think...should the UFP's security be in danger. The Federations got an entire (if currently reduced) Starfleet...what's Andor got?

A few armed freighters?...it'd be a short fight for control of core-world space.

It's all irrelevant so don't bother venting about how the UFP would never do that. The Typhon Pact more than likely wants nothing to do with Andor being a member - they are simply trying to destabilize the Federation by having things happen - like Andor withdrawing.

You're never going to see Andor as a TP member.
 
If Andor wants to join the Pact, what could the Federation possibly do to stop them? The Federation has no jurisdiction over worlds that are not members.

Quite a bit I'd think...should the UFP's security be in danger. The Federations got an entire (if currently reduced) Starfleet...what's Andor got?

If Andor joins the Pact, they'd have access to Pact military strength. The Pact would surely deploy their fleets to back Andor up. Andorian ships and crews would be PART of those fleets. If the Federation raised so much as a peep, there would be war - how else could they possibly keep a Pact fleet out of Federation space?

Remember, this is exactly how the Dominion War started. The Federation could not keep Cardassia from joining the Dominion, so they had to mine the entrance to the wormhole to keep Dominion reinforcements away. Thus, war broke out.
 
Still waiting for my copy to arrive - but just got 2 quick questions:

Noticed Geordi's name does not appear in the Memory Beta wiki entry for Paths of Disharmony - is he in the book and is he still on the Enterprise?

Also since Miranda Kadohata isn't mentioned - did the Enterprise get a new Operations officer? If so was it someone new or a character that has already been introduced?
 
Finally read the book...

All that's a good point. Certainly Andor was targeted for extermination by the Borg primarily because of their Federation Membership.

No; the Borg poured out of the Azure Nebula and started destroying everything in an expanding, roughly spherical front -- Federation, Klingon, Romulan, anyone who got in their way.


We've also seen that Federation Member States are sometimes forced by law to give up some resources to help other worlds. Ardana was required to give up some magic McGuffin to a world suffering a plague in "The Cloud Minders," for instance, and the Governor of Alpha Centauri was angry that the Federation government was threatening to federalize Alpha Centauri's mining industry to help rebuild devastated Federation worlds.

I'm not sure "forced" is the word. Rather, they agree as a condition of membership to contribute resources as needed. If they subsequently refuse to do so, then they're in breach of their own agreement which they made voluntarily when they joined.


By the way, was it implied in this novel that Chen was born on Vulcan? I seem to remember that.

I don't recall seeing such an implication, but it's definitely not true. According to my original backstory for the character, T'Ryssa Chen was born on Starbase 11. She's never even been to Vulcan.


I have no problem with it, but I'm very much in the minority as far as P/Crs are concerned, where the objections are many but in the end centre about either the ickiness of naming a child after dead people or the perceived cliched laziness of authors using these particular names instead of providing the child with a name all his own, ie. without baggage.

My view (for what it's worth) is that for the vast bulk of the world's population - across cultures - naming a child after a beloved dead person/people is regarded by society as both honourable and appropriate. I don't think that will necessarily change over the centuries ahead.

Well, technically, everyone's named after a dead person, unless they're given a totally new made-up name. I'm named (at least indirectly) after a saint who reputedly died in the third century. My father Myron was named after an ancient Greek sculptor who died in the fifth century BCE. And so on.


On the cliche/laziness issue, was Dayton Ward requested to use the name already provided in Michael Martin's ST Online: The Needs of the Many, or just found it convenient to adopt it.

I'm pretty sure the name of Picard & Crusher's son was chosen before the STO novel was written. I recall hearing it mentioned in correspondence with authors/editors some time before that book came along.



The series also reminded me of the early Trek novels, where the Klingons and ROmulans were used as "the enemy". There was no need to brand the novels Star Trek: Romulan Empire etc.
Why use the brand of the TP if they are part of the new, ongoing, status quo?

Because there was a desire for a miniseries that could be promoted as the next Big Event like Destiny was, even if it was actually more episodic in structure.


Finally got the book. Only a few 10's of pages into it. Not surprised by the T'Ryssa-Taurik relationship. Was it planned at the time the Destiny trilogy was being plotted?

T'Ryssa didn't exist yet (at least not under that name) when Destiny was plotted. After Destiny was outlined and approved, Margaret Clark approached me to write a prologue novel (Greater Than the Sum) which would tie up loose ends from the TNG novels and set up the trilogy. (Since the trilogy took so much longer to write, it had to get started first.) I introduced Trys in GTTS, and Dave worked her into the last couple of Destiny installments in a minor role once he read my manuscript.

And I certainly would not have considered a Trys-Taurik romance. Her characterization at the time was that she was uneasy with her Vulcan heritage and tried to avoid it. I actually toyed with the idea of a T'Ryssa/Geordi romance, but I decided she was too young for him.



If that's true, how would this effect Pava on Titan? I highly doubt she would leave and go back to Andor. Plus she's too far away for an Andorian to try to come and take her back. I'm just interested in if this will be mentioned in the next Titan novel.

No reason why it should affect her, unless she's a Visionist or something. Any Andorian Starfleet personnel who choose to remain in Starfleet are free to do so; according to the end of PoD, half of the Enterprise's 17 Andorian crewmembers chose to remain on the ship. (I'm wondering which half of that 17th one chose to stay....)

For that matter, why do we always assume that every member of a given species was born on that species' planet of origin? Do we even know if Pava is from Andor?



I would think given Andors location, deep in the core worlds of the Federation that it would present huge security concerns for the UFP were Andor to actually join the TP.

It's doubtful Starfleet would want to open a 'corridor' that would allow Typhon Pact vessels access into the very heart of UFP space.

Not going to happen.

On the other hand, according to Star Charts, the nearest edge of Romulan territory is less than 30 light-years from Earth. And that's Typhon Pact territory now. So they're already right next to the heart of UFP space.
 
For that matter, why do we always assume that every member of a given species was born on that species' planet of origin? Do we even know if Pava is from Andor?


I seem to remember that issues of Star Trek: Starfleet Academy, he Marvel Comics series from which Pava originated, established that she was from Andor, but I may be mistaken.
 
For that matter, why do we always assume that every member of a given species was born on that species' planet of origin? Do we even know if Pava is from Andor?


I seem to remember that issues of Star Trek: Starfleet Academy, he Marvel Comics series from which Pava originated, established that she was from Andor, but I may be mistaken.

In issue 1 Commander Zund introduced her as 'Pava Ek'noor Aqabaa of Andor' and in issue 13 it seems implied she is from Andor.

However since her mother was 'the galaxy's premier romance holo-novelist' she could have toured greatly during her youth with her mother and then she spent time as an exchange student on Qo'nos so it is possible that even if she was born on Andor, she may have spent little time there anyway.
 
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