Fuck that, be arrogant and charming, see a hot girl and hit on her, compliment her shoes or her earrings, improvise from there.
If she turns you down, find another hot girl, repeat.
I Hate Myself
- Thread starter Admiral Shran
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Fuck that, be arrogant and charming, see a hot girl and hit on her, compliment her shoes or her earrings, improvise from there.
If she turns you down, find another hot girl, repeat.
Well, Admiral could try a few different approaches, maybe three, until he finds one that suits him. Also; go to a nightclub. It's very hard to come out of one without a date, cos women only go to one for one reason. To get fixed up.
^ Or maybe to dance and have fun with their friends? Just an hypothesis.
No, that's not what I've been told, and what I've seen. The staff look at you with puzzlement, if you walk out on your own. I know that a lot of girls do it, now, with a circle of girlfriends, even if they have a boyfriend, as you say, they are just having fun. And, some men didn't like it. But, they would tell you they were spoken for, I would guess.
You should be able to get help for this from the state, or even move to a world where women can ask men, if you are holding down a job and it is making you miserable, or even if you aren't.
A nightclub, for Admiral, even though he is shy, might increase the odds? Even a dating service?
I swear, I read you sentences but they do not make sense.
You should not give advice to anyone, ever, about anything.
Well, you obviously have the girls falling at your feet. There's probably three of them round your terminal, now, looking at you with adoring eyes.
Pingfah, what's your advice? And, realise that not all men are like you, and shouldn't be.
And, Iguana, that there are some people who can't get relationships, even today, and that there might not be so much something wrong with them, just a system that is good, and needs to be improved.
Of course that's not wrong with them. Social interaction is difficult for some people, and romance can be tricky. I never implied otherwise.
I just objected to your objectifying advice, which amounted to "just go for the ugly ones, they will fuck anything". That's a bad advice for someone who must work on their self-esteem before feeling confident enough to interact with women.
And what "system" are you talking about? Is there a Big Dating Corporation screwing over common people that I know nothing about?
*scratches head* Do you advice him to start out with some lady, that might not be considered hot, play around with her to get some more self-confidence and then drop her when something hotter comes along or do I get this wrong?
If so...that is no way to thread another human-being... in my opinion.
TerokNor
Well, you obviously have the girls falling at your feet. There's probably three of them round your terminal, now, looking at you with adoring eyes.
Pingfah, what's your advice? And, realise that not all men are like you, and shouldn't be.
I do not have any advice to give or any interest in giving it, that does not preclude me from recognising that you should not do so either.
Terok,
My experience is that you can sometimes set your sights too high. And, also, my experience of dealing with people, is that nearly all of them who have encountered me, have come away with the attitude that you try to get the best for yourself you possibly can, whether that person is good looking or not. and they have applied that to their lives and some of them have very good looking and intelligent wives and I think I had something to do with it, or at least a perfectly legal download of my life attitude has.
You can aim low, get someone, learn from them, end them, amiably, and see them with someone hot too, the next year. Or, you can stay together.
Pingfah,
You can have a perfectly legal copy of my life attitude, too, if you want. Your hard drive seems to have some difficulty taking it, as it may be an older, smaller version, but you can upgrade.
Iguana;
The system is the social convention regarding dating? Which differs from place to place and isn't perfect and isn't the same as it was fifty years ago and could be improved? As to women approaching and chatting up men, for example, rather than men doing it all?
To get back to Admiral: There's no law saying you have to have a girlfriend and Admiral must have some selling point and it's amazing what you can sell people. Some interest, some club he could join. You do get some people who get girlfriends but can't keep them ,too, cos they have few interests. At least they've had them.
And, anyway, Admiral, there are Star Trek conventions. There's one place you can go. You do get some amazing women wearing miniskirts and Orion girl outfits, to look at, at least, and others, you can talk too!
And, Hey Admiral, there's a book you can get, called 'Sex tips for boys'. You might be able to get an old copy from Amazon, or something similar. It may be a little outdated, it was written twenty years ago, but I think it's still sound.
My experience is that you can sometimes set your sights too high. And, also, my experience of dealing with people, is that nearly all of them who have encountered me, have come away with the attitude that you try to get the best for yourself you possibly can, whether that person is good looking or not. and they have applied that to their lives and some of them have very good looking and intelligent wives and I think I had something to do with it, or at least a perfectly legal download of my life attitude has.
You can aim low, get someone, learn from them, end them, amiably, and see them with someone hot too, the next year. Or, you can stay together.
Pingfah,
You can have a perfectly legal copy of my life attitude, too, if you want. Your hard drive seems to have some difficulty taking it, as it may be an older, smaller version, but you can upgrade.
Iguana;
The system is the social convention regarding dating? Which differs from place to place and isn't perfect and isn't the same as it was fifty years ago and could be improved? As to women approaching and chatting up men, for example, rather than men doing it all?
To get back to Admiral: There's no law saying you have to have a girlfriend and Admiral must have some selling point and it's amazing what you can sell people. Some interest, some club he could join. You do get some people who get girlfriends but can't keep them ,too, cos they have few interests. At least they've had them.
And, anyway, Admiral, there are Star Trek conventions. There's one place you can go. You do get some amazing women wearing miniskirts and Orion girl outfits, to look at, at least, and others, you can talk too!
And, Hey Admiral, there's a book you can get, called 'Sex tips for boys'. You might be able to get an old copy from Amazon, or something similar. It may be a little outdated, it was written twenty years ago, but I think it's still sound.
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Truth!
Girls dig a bit of arrogant cockiness. I've tried it. It works.
Cheapjack, please stop giving advice. Given that your own advice doesn't even work for you, what on Earth makes you think it would work for anyone else?
... hmm... don´t know... I would not show interest in someone, when there is not the slightest possibility, I can imagine having a true relationship with the one.
And aiming too high? ...How can I aim to high? That would mean I see other people more valuable than myself or less. I see myself as valuable as anybody else, so I cannot aim to high.
Of course there are qualities where some have more from and others less. Like if I look for someone educated, but can´t get that one and instead can only get someone who is the opposite of educated I could take that one...but why? That person would be of no interest to me. Only for saying, yes I had a partner... yes I have had sex?
And I maybe would hurt that persons feelings ...and on purpose...as I knew from the beginning, I am not interested, but gave a wrong expression to the other.
If one would be out for example to find someone to have sex with and there is someone else who also is only looking for sex and its known to both sides and then they have sex...ok.
But if one is out for looking for a partner, both sides should be honest...and not one side is honest, while the other is playing and execising.
Am I too naive with that opinion?
TerokNor
And aiming too high? ...How can I aim to high? That would mean I see other people more valuable than myself or less. I see myself as valuable as anybody else, so I cannot aim to high.
Of course there are qualities where some have more from and others less. Like if I look for someone educated, but can´t get that one and instead can only get someone who is the opposite of educated I could take that one...but why? That person would be of no interest to me. Only for saying, yes I had a partner... yes I have had sex?
And I maybe would hurt that persons feelings ...and on purpose...as I knew from the beginning, I am not interested, but gave a wrong expression to the other.
If one would be out for example to find someone to have sex with and there is someone else who also is only looking for sex and its known to both sides and then they have sex...ok.
But if one is out for looking for a partner, both sides should be honest...and not one side is honest, while the other is playing and execising.
Am I too naive with that opinion?
TerokNor
Robert,
I have given advice to others, including cousins, who could never keep a girlfriend for more than a month. I have been sought out for this. They took it, used it, and fed on my ambition and turned around and hinted I knew nothing and couldn't appreciate what I've never had, but so what? What's more arrogant and cocky than that?
I was told by a great uncle, who worked as a doorman until he was 52, that braggers get put flat on their back.
You've just got to see what works for you.
Sex tips for boys is a good book. There's stuff on the internet, too.
Robert, I've reached the final fence a few times, and at least, I can talk to women, which Admiral can't. It may be that you need arrogance and cockiness to clear the final fence. But, you need substance, too, to get there.
And Admiral, at least you've got the Star Trek BBS. Go to a convention. They've all had a wash. Don't try the ears, though.
I have given advice to others, including cousins, who could never keep a girlfriend for more than a month. I have been sought out for this. They took it, used it, and fed on my ambition and turned around and hinted I knew nothing and couldn't appreciate what I've never had, but so what? What's more arrogant and cocky than that?
I was told by a great uncle, who worked as a doorman until he was 52, that braggers get put flat on their back.
You've just got to see what works for you.
Sex tips for boys is a good book. There's stuff on the internet, too.
Robert, I've reached the final fence a few times, and at least, I can talk to women, which Admiral can't. It may be that you need arrogance and cockiness to clear the final fence. But, you need substance, too, to get there.
And Admiral, at least you've got the Star Trek BBS. Go to a convention. They've all had a wash. Don't try the ears, though.
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This thread is starting to spiral from supportive encouragement to some really weird crap. The idea of government intervention into dating is...unique, to say the least.
I want to reset to a page or two ago, when people were slagging on Twilight. I've read a few pages of one of the books, didn't like it. My wife finds them fun. If you're a mature adult, you learn that not everyone has the same tastes as you, and you accept that.
I find something hysterical in Star Trek fans mocking Twilight fans. They're both genre entertainment. If someone has fun with something like that, whether it's Vulcans or vampires, who are we to judge?
The more understanding you are of other people, in general, the more understanding they are of you.
In general, I'd give the thumbs up to what pingfah, Robert, and iguana have said.
As far as being cocky goes, there's something I heard once that is a bit in the same vein. The Rock, a professional wrestler (more genre entertainment), said that playing a heel, or bad guy, was like taking your own personality and turning the volume up. That's a good approach. If you like to laugh, laugh a lot, and laugh loudly. If you're a smart-ass, be a real smart-ass. It draws attention to you, but that's the point. If you're not naturally brimming with self-confidence the cocky route might not be the best way to go, but you generally want to be a little bit larger than life.
Shran, you seem like a well-read, sensitive guy who's experienced a lot of loneliness. Turn that to your advantage:it makes you a better listener, and a more empathetic person. Maybe that's what you want to emphasize. It doesn't mean you don't say anything at all--it just means you listen more than you talk. And you know what? when listeners do talk, people take notice. Think of Guinan from TNG.
Keep in mind that I'm saying this without every having talked to you, just by going on what you've said here. But take a look at what you've got inside you, and think of how you can use that to make the connections you want to.
I want to reset to a page or two ago, when people were slagging on Twilight. I've read a few pages of one of the books, didn't like it. My wife finds them fun. If you're a mature adult, you learn that not everyone has the same tastes as you, and you accept that.
I find something hysterical in Star Trek fans mocking Twilight fans. They're both genre entertainment. If someone has fun with something like that, whether it's Vulcans or vampires, who are we to judge?
The more understanding you are of other people, in general, the more understanding they are of you.
In general, I'd give the thumbs up to what pingfah, Robert, and iguana have said.
As far as being cocky goes, there's something I heard once that is a bit in the same vein. The Rock, a professional wrestler (more genre entertainment), said that playing a heel, or bad guy, was like taking your own personality and turning the volume up. That's a good approach. If you like to laugh, laugh a lot, and laugh loudly. If you're a smart-ass, be a real smart-ass. It draws attention to you, but that's the point. If you're not naturally brimming with self-confidence the cocky route might not be the best way to go, but you generally want to be a little bit larger than life.
Shran, you seem like a well-read, sensitive guy who's experienced a lot of loneliness. Turn that to your advantage:it makes you a better listener, and a more empathetic person. Maybe that's what you want to emphasize. It doesn't mean you don't say anything at all--it just means you listen more than you talk. And you know what? when listeners do talk, people take notice. Think of Guinan from TNG.
Keep in mind that I'm saying this without every having talked to you, just by going on what you've said here. But take a look at what you've got inside you, and think of how you can use that to make the connections you want to.
The shatnertage is wise.
I would say so too. Find something you have and enlarge it. and use your empathic abilities. There was a site I have just been on that says if you can show a lot of interest, it will rebound, naturally.
As to government, involvement, well there are dating agencies, so it could be private, just more help involved, apart from just arranging the date?
As to government, involvement, well there are dating agencies, so it could be private, just more help involved, apart from just arranging the date?
Only after you have been dating someone for a few good months?
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