"TNG" Remastered

[Dukhat]

Not a comment on quality only on the track record of most of these projects in coming to fruition.

Huh? The dude added his own effects to one episode just for fun. And he says he's pretty much finished. So his "track record" seems to be just fine.

 

[MikeS]

I'm looking forward to seeing this PicardAlpha. Please ignore the sniping and post for the rest of us.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I expect exactly ZERO to come out of this project, but on a happy note, there is actually some minor news in the STNG forum I posted about the studio efforts on STNG:Remastered.

RAMA

Thanks for the vote of confidence, I've been slaving a way at this for fun, nothing more...

I encourage you to not watch it, that way I don't have to hear more of your snarky remarks.

Not a comment on quality only on the track record of most of these projects in coming to fruition.

RAMA

I was mistaken, then, in giving you the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Faldor]

So which episode is it?!

I've pondered atleast doing a colour grade on an episode before now.

 

[Picard Alpha]

The episode shouldn't be a huge shocker... "Q Who".

I'm compositing in the effects sequences now, shouldn't be to much longer...

 

[RAMA]

The episode shouldn't be a huge shocker... "Q Who".

I'm compositing in the effects sequences now, shouldn't be to much longer...

Hmm ok just looked back on the thread, and its just basically new FX inserted into the episode? At what resolution/aspect ratio? Its not really a remastering, its just new FX..don't see how it'll look much better if its at the same res. Have you thought of using FCP to up-res? Out of curiosity...how available are tools CBS Digital used to clean up the prints(Autodesk Combustion I believe).

RAMA

 

[stueyross]

Hmm ok just looked back on the thread, and its just basically new FX inserted into the episode? At what resolution/aspect ratio? Its not really a remastering, its just new FX..don't see how it'll look much better if its at the same res. Have you thought of using FCP to up-res? Out of curiosity...how available are tools CBS Digital used to clean up the prints(Autodesk Combustion I believe).

RAMA

Jesus, give the guy a chance huh? Do you have to be so pedantic as to pull him on the definition of what classifies as remastered?

So far this has been a good thread with nice tangents (CoH) and some good speculation on what episode has been picked for the "remaster".

Lets just give the guy a chance. Obviously you're "knowledgable" about this kind of thing from the questions you're asking but sheesh.

Less coffee, more respect I think!

 

[Barbreader]

Rama, how about producing a fan film with all the production values and whatnot you think proper to set an example. Then let us know about it, OK?

 

[Picard Alpha]

The episode shouldn't be a huge shocker... "Q Who".

I'm composting in the effects sequences now, shouldn't be to much longer...

Hmm ok just looked back on the thread, and its just basically new FX inserted into the episode? At what resolution/aspect ratio? Its not really a remastering, its just new FX..don't see how it'll look much better if its at the same res. Have you thought of using FCP to up-res? Out of curiosity...how available are tools CBS Digital used to clean up the prints(Autodesk Combustion I believe).

RAMA

You seem to have a lot of assumptions, most of which are inaccurate. I have yet to release exact details about what the project is or what it entails. You act as if I know nothing about film/video. Do you need to see my credentials? I have a silly piece of paper that says I have a degree in just that. I'm a film-maker, television station employee, and a veteran Star Trek fan film producer. Is that not good enough?

I'll try to answer your questions, but I'd appreciate it if you weren't so critical of a video you haven't even seen yet...The video has been up-converted and touched up. All of my new effects have been rendered at 1280×720 (720p). Since I don't have access to the original film stock I can't really do much more than that, obviously. I'm not entirely sure on what CBS did for TOS:R, but seeing as how they had all original film stock, why would they need to worry about up-converting. The film image would have been more detailed than a 480i, no up-conversion needed. Cleaning up the film, on the other hand, is a completely different beast.

How about you try and stop paying attention to this thread and not watch the final product, I'd rather not hear your "critique" once I post it. It seems like you've been critical of a small project that isn't even out yet, I can't imagine what you've got lined up to say once it's in the public eye. I'd rather not talk about this again, it's a waste of time and precious internet space.

 

[Michael]

I'm looking forward to it!

 

[Melonpool]

I'm looking forward to it!

I know this is totally off-topic, but that Twilight Zone avatar rocks!

 

[Michael]

I'm looking forward to it!

I know this is totally off-topic, but that Twilight Zone avatar rocks!

Well, thank you!

 

[SPCTRE]

I'm looking forward to it!

^ This.

 

[RAMA]

The episode shouldn't be a huge shocker... "Q Who".

I'm composting in the effects sequences now, shouldn't be to much longer...

Hmm ok just looked back on the thread, and its just basically new FX inserted into the episode? At what resolution/aspect ratio? Its not really a remastering, its just new FX..don't see how it'll look much better if its at the same res. Have you thought of using FCP to up-res? Out of curiosity...how available are tools CBS Digital used to clean up the prints(Autodesk Combustion I believe).

RAMA

You seem to have a lot of assumptions, most of which are inaccurate. I have yet to release exact details about what the project is or what it entails. You act as if I know nothing about film/video. Do you need to see my credentials? I have a silly piece of paper that says I have a degree in just that. I'm a film-maker, television station employee, and a veteran Star Trek fan film producer. Is that not good enough?

I'll try to answer your questions, but I'd appreciate it if you weren't so critical of a video you haven't even seen yet...The video has been up-converted and touched up. All of my new effects have been rendered at 1280×720 (720p). Since I don't have access to the original film stock I can't really do much more than that, obviously. I'm not entirely sure on what CBS did for TOS:R, but seeing as how they had all original film stock, why would they need to worry about up-converting. The film image would have been more detailed than a 480i, no up-conversion needed. Cleaning up the film, on the other hand, is a completely different beast.

How about you try and stop paying attention to this thread and not watch the final product, I'd rather not hear your "critique" once I post it. It seems like you've been critical of a small project that isn't even out yet, I can't imagine what you've got lined up to say once it's in the public eye. I'd rather not talk about this again, it's a waste of time and precious internet space.

I didn't think I was "overly" critical..and I'm still waiting for projects like "ST:Re-animated" (lol) so excuse me for being skeptical, but of course I'll watch the project! If nothing else, to see what a small scale remastering could bring and what the studio is missing unless they decide to actually get off their collective studio asses and produce it.

As for TOS-R I understand that hardware up-converting is better than software up-converting (I'm not an expert, just an interested party with a rather minor background in graphic arts). They transferred the film stock to digital tape using a state-of-the-art digital printer/scanner. They produced a standard def and 16:9 version from this.I realize you don't have such resources, but if your project can look good, I'm anxious to see the results. I would also be willing to write the studio to call attention to what can be done and that there is a market for it. I WILL NOT buy STNG in its current DVD condition, I WILL buy a bluray HD version however.

 

[Picard Alpha]

Hmm ok just looked back on the thread, and its just basically new FX inserted into the episode? At what resolution/aspect ratio? Its not really a remastering, its just new FX..don't see how it'll look much better if its at the same res. Have you thought of using FCP to up-res? Out of curiosity...how available are tools CBS Digital used to clean up the prints(Autodesk Combustion I believe).

RAMA

You seem to have a lot of assumptions, most of which are inaccurate. I have yet to release exact details about what the project is or what it entails. You act as if I know nothing about film/video. Do you need to see my credentials? I have a silly piece of paper that says I have a degree in just that. I'm a film-maker, television station employee, and a veteran Star Trek fan film producer. Is that not good enough?

I'll try to answer your questions, but I'd appreciate it if you weren't so critical of a video you haven't even seen yet...The video has been up-converted and touched up. All of my new effects have been rendered at 1280×720 (720p). Since I don't have access to the original film stock I can't really do much more than that, obviously. I'm not entirely sure on what CBS did for TOS:R, but seeing as how they had all original film stock, why would they need to worry about up-converting. The film image would have been more detailed than a 480i, no up-conversion needed. Cleaning up the film, on the other hand, is a completely different beast.

How about you try and stop paying attention to this thread and not watch the final product, I'd rather not hear your "critique" once I post it. It seems like you've been critical of a small project that isn't even out yet, I can't imagine what you've got lined up to say once it's in the public eye. I'd rather not talk about this again, it's a waste of time and precious internet space.

I didn't think I was "overly" critical..and I'm still waiting for projects like "ST:Re-animated" (lol) so excuse me for being skeptical, but of course I'll watch the project! If nothing else, to see what a small scale remastering could bring and what the studio is missing unless they decide to actually get off their collective studio asses and produce it.

As for TOS-R I understand that hardware up-converting is better than software up-converting (I'm not an expert, just an interested party with a rather minor background in graphic arts). They transferred the film stock to digital tape using a state-of-the-art digital printer/scanner. They produced a standard def and 16:9 version from this.I realize you don't have such resources, but if your project can look good, I'm anxious to see the results. I would also be willing to write the studio to call attention to what can be done and that there is a market for it. I WILL NOT buy STNG in its current DVD condition, I WILL buy a bluray HD version however.

RAMA,

I agree about TNG on DVD, the video transfer was the worst I've ever seen. I'm having a hell of a time trying to get the colors and levels to come out looking descent on Q Who, the first 2 seasons of TNG are very bland and "washed" with light, lacking in both color and contrast. Either the video transfer is absolutely horrendous (I'd love to get my hands on the original negatives) or the production crew just hadn't learned how to light the set yet. I always get a kick out of seeing them try to flag out the light reflection on the back LCARS stations, it looks terrible if you catch it. Someone once asked me why black construction paper was covering the display, lol. Also, they hadn't quite got the backlight on the stations down yet, they were very dim, often times they barely look on.

 

[Faldor]

They produced a standard def and 16:9 version from this.

are you referring to the cropped versions or do you think 16:9 means high def?

Don't shoot the guy down for having a go at this and being considerate enough to share it with us when you clearly only have half an idea what your saying.

Picard Alpha - have you done a colour grade on the episode as well as inserting new shots?

 

[George]

So, when's it expected to come out?

 

[JarodRussell]

I agree about TNG on DVD, the video transfer was the worst I've ever seen. I'm having a hell of a time trying to get the colors and levels to come out looking descent on Q Who, the first 2 seasons of TNG are very bland and "washed" with light, lacking in both color and contrast. Either the video transfer is absolutely horrendous (I'd love to get my hands on the original negatives) or the production crew just hadn't learned how to light the set yet. I always get a kick out of seeing them try to flag out the light reflection on the back LCARS stations, it looks terrible if you catch it. Someone once asked me why black construction paper was covering the display, lol. Also, they hadn't quite got the backlight on the stations down yet, they were very dim, often times they barely look on.

In my dreamworld, they would digitally retouch TNG to remove the black paper on the displays, and similar stuff.

And I really wish they would make the effort and use all the original visual effects instead of redoing them in CG. The work ILM did on the pilot looks marvelous in HD, as could be seen in Generations when they reused a couple of shots.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/generationshd/generationshd0976.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/generationshd/generationshd0977.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/generationshd/generationshd0978.jpg

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/generationshd/generationshd1421.jpg

 

[Avon]

i thought they redid those with a tarted up enterprise for Generations

 

[ST-One]

i thought they redid those with a tarted up enterprise for Generations

Nope, those are the very same shots that were use in 'Encounter at Farpoint' - only colour-corrected to match the new paint job on the model in the new shot of the model.