While rewatching this episode the other day, I wondered whether anyone here has ever encountered a boss in real life who acts the way the admiral did. Also, I think this ep should've been a two-parter. Do you think it ended prematurely? Would it have been interesting to see the ensuing trial and what it cost Riker?
Real-world people like Admiral Pressman from "The Pegasus"
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I never liked him. The fact that the Treaty was a tactical mistake is by the by. He risked war simply by taking an unscrupulous path
The only "flag officer gone bad" who I thought was in the right in TNG was Maxwell. Granted, he risked war also, but he at least was vindicated in his actions since the Cardassians were re-arming. Picard himself said so in the final scene of the Wounded.
The only "flag officer gone bad" who I thought was in the right in TNG was Maxwell. Granted, he risked war also, but he at least was vindicated in his actions since the Cardassians were re-arming. Picard himself said so in the final scene of the Wounded.
Ah, but that wasn't his position, really. He thought those deaths on the Pegasus were a tragedy, just like anyone else. Pressman's rationale was that they were mutineers, & that their deaths were a direct result of trying to shut down the cloak, once he'd been driven from the ship
He was wrong, but not immoral. He was violating Starfleet policy, but he & I'm certain many others thought they were acting in the best interest of the Federation, & in reality there would be a long & ugly trial, that reached up into the ranks of the highest in Stafleet command, with the Romulans watching the whole thing. Riker would be replaced during it, & quite possibly be reassigned, even if he was exonerated. It is realistic though that Picard could fill the XO position from within, & then offer it back to Will, when the time came
But honestly, Picard's decision would yield very precarious results, because many would see him now as a whistle blower, & less loyal to Starfleet, than to his own ideologies. He revealed the treaty violation to the Romulans, who had their own Phase Cloak disaster only two years earlier.
The official policy would likely be for Picard to arrest Pressman & Riker, without revealing anything to the Romulans, which probably would have resulted in another cover-up.That is why Picard exposed it, but in doing so he has further jeopardized Romulan relations. Realistically, Picard would be looked upon differently by many in Starfleet
I think it's interesting that Ron Moore wrote this episode in light of his criticisms of Voyager's reset button tendancies. As Mojochi said, there is absolutely no way that something like this would be resolved so quickly and easily that everything would be back to normal next week.
They were prepping Voyager when this ep was broadcast. And the time at which the ep was written really has nothing to do with my point.
Actually Moore criticized the VOY pilot for stuffing everyone into starfleet uniforms at the end of the episode.
That was Behr, and again neither of them did their homework and found out it was against the writers' wishes.
Hell, even the WRITER (Micheal Piller) pointed out it wasn't what he wanted.
Again, VOY getting trashed because no one wanted to do any work into the source of the problems and just saw the problems.
Hell, even the WRITER (Micheal Piller) pointed out it wasn't what he wanted.
Again, VOY getting trashed because no one wanted to do any work into the source of the problems and just saw the problems.
I don't know what Behr said, but I have an interview with Moore from after he left VOY in season 6 which clearly discusses the fact that everyone became a starfleet officer so quickly at the beginning of the series.
What did the execs at UPN do exactly? I heard they demanded that a "hot babe" be added which was why we got Seven but I hadn't heard about other decisions.
What did the execs at UPN do exactly? I heard they demanded that a "hot babe" be added which was why we got Seven but I hadn't heard about other decisions.
It was a UPN direct order that they have the two crews get along and wear the same uniform, they also ordered there to be no continuing arc storytelling or episode carryovers (stuff that happened in prior episodes wasn't to have a direct effect on the next), no internal conflicts.
When Braga came on, he wanted the whole 4th season to be a big serial story of the ship getting trashed and then spend the 5th fixing it all up, but he was shot down and told to make it a two-parter that would be reset at the end.
When Braga came on, he wanted the whole 4th season to be a big serial story of the ship getting trashed and then spend the 5th fixing it all up, but he was shot down and told to make it a two-parter that would be reset at the end.
Braga wins some points there.
Well B&B were the ones running the show when some fans feel that it started to suck, so in that sense it's understandable. I suspect Berman deserves more criticism than Braga though.
But the thing is, they pretty much WEREN'T running the show. Braga didn't become a Producer until S4 of Voyager and stopped at the end of S5. UPN Execs were pretty much dictating terms to Berman who was otherwise powerless against them.
It wasn't like DS9 where the Producers really WERE in charge.
Again, lack of homework into the source of the problem.
It wasn't like DS9 where the Producers really WERE in charge.
Again, lack of homework into the source of the problem.
Which also stemmed from a UPN Exec decision that Voyager could never maintain damage between episodes for long periods of time.
Then I'm surprised that Moore and Braga had the apparent fude and Moore left Trek after he tried to move over from DS9 to VOY. I've heard a lot of comments like "Voyager needed RDM". Didn't Piller also leave because of the changes that were made to his story for Insurrection?
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