Oddball Question: Will Jenny ever return or make an appearance?

[Sci]

I know its not temporally possible. But I'd pay good money to see her and Jack hook up.

And as for no mention of Rose, well, it's not RTD's show now, is it?

No, but I still thought it would be cool to see Doc 11 at least acknowledge her in some way. Whether you liked that relationship or not, he WAS clearly hung up on her for a good long while. It seemed strange that after all that pining away... we suddenly don't even hear a peep about her.

I got the feeling from the way he reacted to her in that final episode of series four that he was a little embarrassed by their relationship. He certainly couldn't drop her and the human Doctor off and get the hell out of there fast enough.

Is that why he dropped everything in the middle of a Dalek invasion to run to her the instant he saw her on the streets of London? Or why he looked absolutely miserable as he left her with his metacrisis clone, recognizing that she would be far happier with a man who would age and die as he would not?

Of course in the real world, blame it all on Moffat. Who doesn't seem too keen on dwelling on the past four years.

I don't know it's even a matter of Moffat "not being keen on dwelling" on the past as it is a matter of, RTD had already brought to his era a sense of closure and ending and moving on. I mean, he said goodbye to all the major characters of his era -- twice, really.

It really wouldn't be a natural or intuitive storytelling choice to have the Doctor spending a lot of time or energy on his years in his ninth and tenth incarnations at this point.

 

[Technobuilder]

Moffat was able to subtly reboot the entire Doctor Who mythology to the point that the Time Lords of Galifrey could make a reappearance someday... thoughts?

.... I see no evidence of that whatsoever. All he did was erase most of the events of Series Five from the timeline, in the same way that "Last of the Time Lords" erased the Year That Never Was from the timeline. Things were just re-set to how they were at the end of "The End of Time, Part Two."

I said Moffat was able to "subtly" reboot the mythos in such a way in which the Time Lords COULD return someday.

Moffat established precedent (as of Series 5) that as long as something can be remembered in can be brought back.

I didn't say he'd already brought them back.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

I said Moffat was able to "subtly" reboot the mythos in such a way in which the Time Lords COULD return someday.

RTD already did that. When Gallifrey materialized, any number of Time Lords could have jumped in their TARDIS and fled the planet.

 

[Winterwind]

I said Moffat was able to "subtly" reboot the mythos in such a way in which the Time Lords COULD return someday.

RTD already did that. When Gallifrey materialized, any number of Time Lords could have jumped in their TARDIS and fled the planet.

I'm wondering if any did. Or if Rassilon ruled with such a tight iron fist that everything was "locked down". We certainly saw how quick he was to dispose of those with dissenting opinions.

 

[The]

I remember when "nope, not my cup of tea" was an acceptable way to voice one's negative opinion.

And people get one Bones' case about being negative? Sweet Merciful Fish, The!

Sorry, but, that's the single episode in the history of the show where criminal charges should be filed against all involved. I didn't know rape could be that painful.


Meanwhile, you're both forgetting what I said at the end of my post:

However, I'm sure others liked it for some reason (?), so if it made them happy, it wouldn't kill me. Doctor Who is, after all, supposed to be a little bit for everyone...

Compare ME to Bones? Show me where he's made such concessions...

 

[Winterwind]

Oh pish posh!

There are far worse episodes than "The Doctor's Daughter". I think you've just got a serious crush on Georgia and you're in extreme denial.

 

[Cutter John]

Is that why he dropped everything in the middle of a Dalek invasion to run to her the instant he saw her on the streets of London? Or why he looked absolutely miserable as he left her with his metacrisis clone, recognizing that she would be far happier with a man who would age and die as he would not?

Well of course he was happy to see her again. No argument there. I was thinking more about that final scene on the beach. To me at least he seemed rather uncomfortable when rose asked him to say he loved her. (you'll have to fogrgive me, I haven't weatched that scene in a few months). I think after Martha, and especially Donna he'd mostly gotten over his dependance on her. And may have even been a bit embarassed by it.
Hey its my personal theory and I'm sticking to it.

I don't know it's even a matter of Moffat "not being keen on dwelling" on the past as it is a matter of, RTD had already brought to his era a sense of closure and ending and moving on. I mean, he said goodbye to all the major characters of his era -- twice, really.

It really wouldn't be a natural or intuitive storytelling choice to have the Doctor spending a lot of time or energy on his years in his ninth and tenth incarnations at this point.

Isn't that kinda what I said? Moffat has his own stories he want to tell.

Time to leave Rose, Martha, donna and Micky in the hands of the fanfic writers (if they even exist anymore).

 

[Sci]

I said Moffat was able to "subtly" reboot the mythos in such a way in which the Time Lords COULD return someday.

RTD already did that. When Gallifrey materialized, any number of Time Lords could have jumped in their TARDIS and fled the planet.

I for one am not convinced that there were any TARDISes left. The Citadel was falling down around them -- the impression I got was that those Time Lords we saw voting in response to Rassilon were probably literally all that was left of their society.

Is that why he dropped everything in the middle of a Dalek invasion to run to her the instant he saw her on the streets of London? Or why he looked absolutely miserable as he left her with his metacrisis clone, recognizing that she would be far happier with a man who would age and die as he would not?

Well of course he was happy to see her again. No argument there. I was thinking more about that final scene on the beach. To me at least he seemed rather uncomfortable when rose asked him to say he loved her. (you'll have to fogrgive me, I haven't weatched that scene in a few months). I think after Martha, and especially Donna he'd mostly gotten over his dependance on her. And may have even been a bit embarassed by it.
Hey its my personal theory and I'm sticking to it.

Well, of course it's subjective, but to me, it wasn't that he looked embarrassed, but that his discomfort was coming from the fact that he, well, had to give her up again. He seems to have concluded that it would be dangerous to have two Doctors running around, and that it would be unfair to ask Rose to abandon her family for him, leading him to conclude that the best answer is to kill two birds with one stone by giving her a mortal Doctor in the dimension her family is in.

So to me, yeah, he looked uncomfortable, but he looked uncomfortable because the whole thing was breaking his heart. And probably because he also knew what was coming up next with Donna.

 

[Cutter John]

Well, of course it's subjective, but to me, it wasn't that he looked embarrassed, but that his discomfort was coming from the fact that he, well, had to give her up again. He seems to have concluded that it would be dangerous to have two Doctors running around, and that it would be unfair to ask Rose to abandon her family for him, leading him to conclude that the best answer is to kill two birds with one stone by giving her a mortal Doctor in the dimension her family is in.

So to me, yeah, he looked uncomfortable, but he looked uncomfortable because the whole thing was breaking his heart. And probably because he also knew what was coming up next with Donna.

Thats the nice thing about that scene. It really works on multiple levels. I'm sure there were all sorts of things going through his head at that moment.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

I for one am not convinced that there were any TARDISes left. The Citadel was falling down around them -- the impression I got was that those Time Lords we saw voting in response to Rassilon were probably literally all that was left of their society.

Creative writing being more about what's possible than what's probable, especially in science fiction, if a door has been left slightly ajar, there's no reason to close it for good.

 

[Starkers]

I got the impression that they were very much like Hitler and his aides in the bunker, and that likely there were plenty of Timelords out there still slogging it out in the trenches...they just weren't winning, but also not really losing!

 

[FalTorPan]

I think that's just a function of the fact that the Doctor has moved on. He said one last goodbye to her at the end of "The End of Time, Part Two," and seems to have come to the point where, with his new regeneration, he's just ready to let go of that part of his past.

And considering how old the Doctor is, it's probably something he's done hundreds of times by now. I'm sure the man has spent a good portion of his life falling in love with people and then having to let go of them once they left his life.

If the Doctor can get past the Time War, then he can get past Rose.

 

[Starkers]

He's probably still cut up over Adric though...

 

[Winterwind]

Yes, Adric, the Doctor's one true love...

 

[Starkers]

Exactly!

 

[Sci]

I for one am not convinced that there were any TARDISes left. The Citadel was falling down around them -- the impression I got was that those Time Lords we saw voting in response to Rassilon were probably literally all that was left of their society.

Creative writing being more about what's possible than what's probable, especially in science fiction, if a door has been left slightly ajar, there's no reason to close it for good.

Well, of course they could bring the Time Lords back if they wanted. I just really hope they don't. The Time Lords are far more interesting in their absence than their presence, and far more impressive as a dead civilization of which the Doctor is the last survivor than as a live civilization from which the Doctor is on the run.

 

[EJA]

I wouldn't mind seeing Jenny return, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.