Did anyone connected with the show ever say they wanted the Constellation to be an older ship? If not it is pure fan speculation.
TOS original or Remastered, which is canon?
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I think when they made the registry number they just rearranged the 1 7 0 1 decal to something else. TOS-R could have simplified things by making the Constellation in the form of the 1st or 2nd pilot version of the ship. But if it really was meant to be identical to the Enterprise than why didn't they just rearrange the decals to 1710? Or with another kit on hand they could have had 1711 or 1717. Or if they could have done a little work they could have redone the registry on the three foot miniature although I shudder at the thought of "damaging" that model to make it looked wrecked. But the distinctive saucer contours would have been convincing n an older variant.
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It's pure fannon nonsense. The AMT model only came with 1701 decals, so they just rearranged the numbers and renamed the ship. Subsequent releases of the model had other ship names and registry numbers.
Possibly they did not associate "1 7" with the Enterprise's sister ships.
Probably because making that change would piss off a shitload of fans, or at the very least give them yet another opening to endless questions and debate. Are the registry numbers really worthy of more than a second's thought? I guess to some of ya.
For me, I wish they had stuck to the producer's intent more stringently. For example, in Mirror, Mirror, they only used the large pilot model because they needed the ship to go in the other direction with readable decals for one little shot. The rest of the episode used the standard footage. Yet TOS-R effects changed the ISS to reflect the pilot model throughout. Updates and improvements on the shooting model were made in order to make the ship look and photograph better, not to imply a "refit." The 1967 effects guys used the model because they had no other option and for only a couple of seconds. I wouldn't have minded if the TOS-R folks changed the ship in WNMHGB to reflect the series model, since it is Kirk's at this time and it seems odd that he's take command, then a short time later, bring her in for a refit.
But, as Mike Okuda so aptly pointed out, they can't please everyone.
My post was sloppy. Let me clarify.
Originally the TOS production crew could have used two AMT kits for extra decals to create 1711 or 1717. As is the 1017 and the contours of the AMT could suggest an older variant. Or perhaps some way could have been found to use the original three foot miniature, but again I'd have hated to think of that model damaged for the sake of one episode.
The TOS-R crew could simply have used one of the pilot versions of the ship as they did in "Mirror, Mirror."
The only other thing I can think of to rationalize the 1017 is that it could mean to honour an earlier ship named Constellation that was significant in some way. Much as the similarity between CV-6 and CVAN-65 (which could be completely coincidental as far as I know). I've always liked this idea better than using suffixes A, B, C, D...
Originally the TOS production crew could have used two AMT kits for extra decals to create 1711 or 1717. As is the 1017 and the contours of the AMT could suggest an older variant. Or perhaps some way could have been found to use the original three foot miniature, but again I'd have hated to think of that model damaged for the sake of one episode.
The TOS-R crew could simply have used one of the pilot versions of the ship as they did in "Mirror, Mirror."
The only other thing I can think of to rationalize the 1017 is that it could mean to honour an earlier ship named Constellation that was significant in some way. Much as the similarity between CV-6 and CVAN-65 (which could be completely coincidental as far as I know). I've always liked this idea better than using suffixes A, B, C, D...
This thread does not compute.
There is no difference between the Original and the Remastered. At least not enough to say that they are different from one another.
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There is no difference between the Original and the Remastered. At least not enough to say that they are different from one another.
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Either they didn't think all that hard about it, or buying just one kit was a budget buster on its own. ;-)
Or maybe they didn't think there'd ever be a population of fans obsessive enough to give a moment's thought to whether 1017 was an appropriate number for a Constitution-class starship. I mean, honestly, the show wasn't doing that well in the ratings. It's impressive they put as much care into its internal consistency as they did, given that they had no reason to expect the show would be much remembered or analyzed in the future.
Because at the time (and this has been verified by people who worked on the show); they wanted to make certain no one confused the Constellation for the Enterprise when watching te show, and if they had 17XX for the Constellation, on some TVs at the time (because of terestrial interence, and the low resolution on some sets), they felt that would be a possibility. 1017 meant it would be a 'clearer' difference between the two ships.
This was one case where I wish they would've been a little less conservative.
For example, they could've maybe inserted a variation of the Mirror universe "sword & planet" emblem within the nacelle and secondary hull pennants, in place of the Starfleet arrowhead. And maybe a few other minor variations to make it appear a bit more militant.
Nothing crazy mind you, just a few subtle modifications like they did with the other Constitution class ships in The Ultimate Computer.
If they did anything like that I must've missed it.
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Another possibility is that The Constellation was originally built as an older class, the NCC-10xx series and later refit to Constitution-Class specs, making it identical to the 1701.
They put more into it than much more successful programs. Watching The Fugitive, it's hysterical how each episode contridicts others when it comes to details about Kimble's wife's murder, or actors playing certain roles.
I just watched "The Enterprise Incident" and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" remastered with the original FX and they hold up pretty well in HD. There's a few stock flyby shots in "Battlefield" that look crappy, but mostly it looks pretty good.
I suppose the reactions of us on Trekbbs to the remastering did not even figure into what was done in detail????
It was "actually" remastered in HD as well.
I think too much detail hurts TOS because the series was made at a time when they could count on the low resolution televisions of the day to veil production shortcomings. While today we do get to some some extra welcome detail we also see those production "seams" that we were never meant to see.
Yeah, we're on the same page here. Makeup seams, toupee lines, and other illusion busting details are too easily seen. This is common with a lot of old shows being remastered for HD. The original BSG really suffers on the big HDTV screen.
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