Amy just wanted some sex, a perfectly human thing. I like the Doctor didn't want anything to do with it, because to him she's still that 7 year old girl he met.
5x05 Flesh and Stone (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!
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I suggested that earlier in this thread, I was reminded of that TNG episode when the soldiers started disappearing and no one remembered them.
I got the same vibe, especially considering he first met her as a 7-year-old just a few days earlier, in his relative timeline.
At one point the Doctor goes, "But you're human! You're Amy! You're getting married in the morning!" It would have emphasized the weirdness even more if he had said "You're Amelia!" instead of "You're Amy!"
Considering that people complained about Amy wearing a short-skirted policewoman's outfit in "The Eleventh Hour" (which is pretty tame, in my opinion) I'm surprised no one complained about this scene. Although kids see a lot of people kissing on TV, this scene was pretty suggestive for a family show. I mean, we have Amy clawing at the Doctor's shirt and suspenders, and saying "I really wasn't suggesting anything quite so long-term" before lunging at him. I had no problem with the scene personally, but I could only imagine the awkward questions it might generate---"Daddy, why is Amy trying to pull off the Doctor's suspenders?" or "Mommy, what's 'long-term' and why doesn't Amy want it?"
Well, it was a bit more suggestive than Jackie Tyler in her bathrobe trying to sound seductive to Nine, I guess, but still pretty tame. Were there complaints about the scene with Jackie at the time?
If a girl acted the same way on, say, Gossip Girl, no one would have thought twice about it.
I'm not admitting to watching gossip girl (my wife does and by proxy I see/hear it whilst playing on the iPhone/laptop - she suffers the same whilst I watch my shows) but if that happened on GG the guys wouldn't blink twice before .... well you know.
Having said that you can't compare GG and Doctor Who. In fact they should even share the same sentence let alone the same post or thread or anything. The reason we are thinking twice, thrice, etc is because the Doctor is well he is the Doctor and many people are not used to him being all sexual. I actually think it was a natural reaction for the Doctor and always thought that the "love" he had for Rose was out of character for him as I known him since the 70s.
I got the same vibe, especially considering he first met her as a 7-year-old just a few days earlier, in his relative timeline.
At one point the Doctor goes, "But you're human! You're Amy! You're getting married in the morning!" It would have emphasized the weirdness even more if he had said "You're Amelia!" instead of "You're Amy!"
Considering that people complained about Amy wearing a short-skirted policewoman's outfit in "The Eleventh Hour" (which is pretty tame, in my opinion) I'm surprised no one complained about this scene. Although kids see a lot of people kissing on TV, this scene was pretty suggestive for a family show. I mean, we have Amy clawing at the Doctor's shirt and suspenders, and saying "I really wasn't suggesting anything quite so long-term" before lunging at him. I had no problem with the scene personally, but I could only imagine the awkward questions it might generate---"Daddy, why is Amy trying to pull off the Doctor's suspenders?" or "Mommy, what's 'long-term' and why doesn't Amy want it?"
Apparently there was 47 complaints.
That was me...
Yeah, but Hollyoaks isn't aimed at a family audience.
Though actually, I'm not really sure who it is aimed at. Morons I suppose. There's a lot of it about.
It's on in the same sort of time slot, aimed at younger viewers in particular.
Hollyoaks is aimed at students/16-24 year olds I would have said.
My 11 and 13 year old nieces love it, and have watched it for years.
I don't see what the big deal about that scene would have been. I was told what sex was when I was 5; before I was a teenager, I would have watched that scene going, "Oh, gross, she wants to have sex with the Doctor!" without thinking about or understanding what that really meant, and then I would have been relieved when the Doctor realized that he needed to save the Universe instead. Like kids did when I was little with every film or movie that contained vague allusions to sex (like the 1989 Batman).
Sanity in such matters is getting rarer from day to day.
BRILLIANT!
The whole time distortion/crack/end of the universe thing is just head ache generating. Seems to be following Amy wherever they go. And, like a few others, found myself wondering...
... Are there two Doctors in that forest?
We see him lose the jacket when the Angel grabs the collar, then we see the whole scene where hes trying to save Amy from the mind-angel, then he leaves... Then, he comes back a few seconds later with the jacket on but the sleeves rolled up... Then in the following scene he again has no jacket while River and Octavian.
No jacket...
Jacket...
No jacket in the scene after...
Its either a deliberate Moffat-esque scene setter/paradox or its a huge continuuity gaff that was missed.
I like the idea of Moffat having two Doctors in a timeline Back to the Future style path crossing, well find out later if he has planned it, but its cool though.
I believe this is definitely the case. If you look at the scene again, it's clear the non-jacket Doctor leaves. A brief but distinct pause then occurs, then we see the Doctor again, telling Amy he's working on it. If this indeed another Doctor, which I believe it is, crossing his own timeline to warn Amy in some way, it's dangerously brilliant. I suspect it'll eventually pay off in the finale, and that he'll cross back to a number of episodes, avoiding himself in a number of manners in order not to muck up the timeline even more.
That, and with respect to Amy throwing herself at the Doctor, it's not necessarily unexpected, with a majority of her life inadvertantly being centered on his appearance. That, and I contend this is different compared to Rose and Martha. Neither Rose nor Martha threw themselves so blatantly upon the Doctor. The relationship that developed with Rose was much more subtle. And Martha was much more along the lines of pining for him during the entire season, but him not noticing, but also not as overt. This is, and as much as we'd like to see the Doctor happy, I suspect he still sees Amy as sweet Amelia, that 7-year-old child. In the end, both their reactions are logical, and, IMO, both are handled well.
That said, poor Rory. I suspect that he'll be around the TARDIS for a bit, and will change, but won't be Amy's husband - at least not yet.
Can't wait for what's next.
*sigh* My best friend and longtime fan decided she's fed up with all the sexual references that have popped up this season and is giving up on the program.
So guess you guys are the only people I have left to talk about the show with.
So guess you guys are the only people I have left to talk about the show with.
Good thing she didn't come here and say it; she'd have been labelled a prudish ultra-conservative virgin
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