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5x05 Flesh and Stone (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!

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You'd have thought hallucinagenic lipstick wouldn't make sense, what with a high concentration of it being on her own lips.
Doesn't mean that it's on the surface of her lips - she could have some sort of barrier between it & her own skin.
 
Remind me again, what is the Pandorica?

As it sounds like Pandora's Box, and since the Pandorica can open too, I am guessing there is something very bad inside the Pandorica. The Doctor knows it as a myth, but we don't know from where yet or if the two are even related. Assuming they are, the cracks could be related to its opening, either causing the cracks or the cracks allow the Pandorica to open. Though the two may not be related at all. This episode really raised my interest quotient in the series by a lot, and Matt Smith really felt like coming into his own Doctor. Particularly so in last scene with Octavian. I am really looking forward to next week.
 
The Pandorica along with the prophecy mentioned by Prisoner Zero is first mentioned to the Doctor in "The Eleventh Hour". I'm almost positive that it has something to do with the spacial rift and that we'll be explained everything (isn't that ironic lol) in the finale. I can't wait for it.
 
The Pandorica will open, and silence will fall

I'm not too worried about it. River remembers it well, meaning everybody lives and the Doctor wins.

Time can be rewritten. Or unwritten. Like they say, crack kills.

Speaking of, it occurs to me that, if they decide Alex Kingston can't keep playing younger years from now, they can use that as an excuse. We start meeting an alternate River Song from a timeline where the Doctor died in the Library.
 
Speaking of, it occurs to me that, if they decide Alex Kingston can't keep playing younger years from now, they can use that as an excuse. We start meeting an alternate River Song from a timeline where the Doctor died in the Library.
Is she really that important a character to need to do all that? Maybe she's more liked by others, but to me she inspires irritation at worst and indifference at best. Like at the point at the end where the Doctor asks "Can I trust you?" and she says something like "Haha, where would be the fun in that?", which is such a predictable and boring line, I honestly immediately thought in my head "yeah, fuck off now". And to be honest, I've not seen many others saying they think she's that great a character. She's just a device for creating mystery about the Doctor's future, summed up in her smug catchphrase of "spoilers".

Does anyone else really find her compelling? Or is it just that she plays a part in the Doctor's future?
 
Does anyone else really find her compelling? Or is it just that she plays a part in the Doctor's future?

I don't really find her incredibly compelling but she doesn't irritate me, either. I also didn't perceive Ten or Eleven as being her 'bitches', as other people have said.
The concept of a relationship not in the right order (and tragically so because the Doctor already knows how it will end) appeals to me. I could have done with a bit less wise-cracking in this episode. It seemed a little too deliberate to me, just like the Queen in The Beast Below. But that's it.
 
I don't get the impression River is supposed to be "likeable." I think she's supposed to be exactly what she comes across as-- someone who has a bit of mystery to her, and is really good at annoying the Doctor.
 
The Pandorica along with the prophecy mentioned by Prisoner Zero is first mentioned to the Doctor in "The Eleventh Hour". I'm almost positive that it has something to do with the spacial rift and that we'll be explained everything (isn't that ironic lol) in the finale. I can't wait for it.

That's what I love this season, here I was thinking we wouldn't get a crack explanation until the season finale, but we got so much info on it already 5 episodes in, enough to make us all happy, yet there is still a big mystery to be solved in the finale. It's like we get our cake now and get to eat it too later.
 
I wonder if River and the Doctor really ever were a couple? She has a blue book, she has mentioned the times they met but we don't know what's in that blue book, maybe it's not a Diary. Maybe it's someone elses information on the Doctor and not written by her. Possibly it was stolen by her and she uses the knowledge of knowing his name to manipulate him to her way of doing things. Then again, she did die for him or is that all part of a bigger plan for her past adventures with him.
 
Just watched both parts, and enjoyed them a lot. I do have a thought, for what it's worth. What if this season is playing out like a big arc of TNG's Remember Me. That's the feeling I got watching this episode and how the colonial didn't remember his men. It just seems like the Crack is like the warp bubble, and Amy is playing the role of Dr. Crusher.
 
I found her more likeable this time around than the last..

Me too. I really didn't like her very much in the Library two parter but she was more fun here. I don't think she's a brilliant character, and I don't think I'd miss her if we never saw her again after this year, but by the same token I won't be horribly offended if she turns up from time to time.
 
That was a different Doctor that spoke to Amy after she had closed her eyes and he was setting off for the flight deck! I just went back to check, because I thought that was the case, and he has his jacket on!

There's no way that was a continuity error - not on Who, and certainly not within the same scene. Is he rewriting time? Is this linked to the end of Eleventh Hour with the dream-that-might-not-be-a-dream? "Remember what I said when you were seven" - was that in that moment?

I got onto this straight away too. As others have said, no way is that a continuity error. The whole tone of his voice changed and then the cut-scene to being with River just jarred too much.

Yeah, Amy throwing herself at the Doctor was completely out of character. She's clearly "out of whack," and getting worse, which explains why the Doctor is so eager to fix her up.

There was nothing romantic about what she wanted during that final scene.

Yeah, cause that's totally why she looked at him. In no way was it a "follow my lead" or "see where I'm going with this?" kind of look.

It is reaching. You're seeing the crap 'cause you want to. There was nothing romantic about what Amy did. She's sick and out of whack. That's what the entire next episode is going to be about for crying out loud; fixing her.

Have you never had consensual sex with someone to fill a mutual desire? - No strings attatched, dirty, fantastic, messy sex? I know I have. More-so when I was 21 - which Amy is. Perhaps it's a culture thing? We're a bit more liberal in the UK. Doesn't mean we need "fixing". :lol:
 
That was a different Doctor that spoke to Amy after she had closed her eyes and he was setting off for the flight deck! I just went back to check, because I thought that was the case, and he has his jacket on!

There's no way that was a continuity error - not on Who, and certainly not within the same scene. Is he rewriting time? Is this linked to the end of Eleventh Hour with the dream-that-might-not-be-a-dream? "Remember what I said when you were seven" - was that in that moment?

I got onto this straight away too. As others have said, no way is that a continuity error. The whole tone of his voice changed and then the cut-scene to being with River just jarred too much.

Yeah, Amy throwing herself at the Doctor was completely out of character. She's clearly "out of whack," and getting worse, which explains why the Doctor is so eager to fix her up.

There was nothing romantic about what she wanted during that final scene.

Yeah, cause that's totally why she looked at him. In no way was it a "follow my lead" or "see where I'm going with this?" kind of look.

It is reaching. You're seeing the crap 'cause you want to. There was nothing romantic about what Amy did. She's sick and out of whack. That's what the entire next episode is going to be about for crying out loud; fixing her.

Have you never had consensual sex with someone to fill a mutual desire? - No strings attatched, dirty, fantastic, messy sex? I know I have. More-so when I was 21 - which Amy is. Perhaps it's a culture thing? We're a bit more liberal in the UK. Doesn't mean we need "fixing". :lol:
We have it in the US too, it just usually doesn't involve time travel. Unless you count the time skips from the alcohol or "blackouts" as my doctor described them.
 
That was a different Doctor that spoke to Amy after she had closed her eyes and he was setting off for the flight deck! I just went back to check, because I thought that was the case, and he has his jacket on!

There's no way that was a continuity error - not on Who, and certainly not within the same scene. Is he rewriting time? Is this linked to the end of Eleventh Hour with the dream-that-might-not-be-a-dream? "Remember what I said when you were seven" - was that in that moment?

I got onto this straight away too. As others have said, no way is that a continuity error. The whole tone of his voice changed and then the cut-scene to being with River just jarred too much.

Yeah, Amy throwing herself at the Doctor was completely out of character. She's clearly "out of whack," and getting worse, which explains why the Doctor is so eager to fix her up.

There was nothing romantic about what she wanted during that final scene.

Yeah, cause that's totally why she looked at him. In no way was it a "follow my lead" or "see where I'm going with this?" kind of look.

It is reaching. You're seeing the crap 'cause you want to. There was nothing romantic about what Amy did. She's sick and out of whack. That's what the entire next episode is going to be about for crying out loud; fixing her.

Have you never had consensual sex with someone to fill a mutual desire? - No strings attatched, dirty, fantastic, messy sex? I know I have. More-so when I was 21 - which Amy is. Perhaps it's a culture thing? We're a bit more liberal in the UK. Doesn't mean we need "fixing". :lol:

Indeed, there's something more than a little bit insulting -- and arguably sexist -- about saying that if a woman wants sex, she must be "sick" or needs "fixing."
 
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