Just what is so bad about 'These Are The Voyages'..?

[Withers]

If we pinned that post to the top of the forum, I don't think there'd be any further need for the monthly "TATV Sux!!!1!" threads.

By all means... eliminate all forms of redundancy so that people who haven't been here for a decade are forbidden to discuss anything that has ever been discussed previously- that way the super important 5 word story can eventually be the only thread in the entire Enterprise forum and a cardboard cut out of the principal from the Breakfast Club can moderate it. Brilliant. Rarely, if ever, have I heard such an excellent plan.


TATV wasn't horrible as a premise for a regular episode. If they wanted to give Riker and Troi (two characters who inexplicably keep showing up in spite of their complete and utter lack of greatness) one more go-round before the franchise left the air ways, fine. I'm alright with that. But not the series finale. That's just highway robbery and it bitters me to think that they somehow thought this would be acceptable (that the fans of Enterprise would be alright with a sequel to an episode of TNG as the series finale.)

Of course there were other elements of TATV that made it so...loathsome but ultimately it wasn't the terrible writing or the unnecessary elimination of Trip that killed it- it was that Enterprise fans were robbed of a proper finale by the creation of a sequel to a TNG episode nobody cared about after the credits rolled.

-Withers-​

 

[Ward Fowler]

I liked TATV and I think it would've been a great penultimate episode. But it really wasn't an appropriate finale for Enterprise.

 

[ALF]

How about that gemstone they were after? Pretty big, huh?

 

[Mach5]

How about that gemstone they were after? Pretty big, huh?

Teh wat? Oh...

 

[ALF]

All Good Things, What You Leave Behind, Endgame. None of them had a
Teneebian amethyst!

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

It's Cushing as Van Helsing from one of the Hammer Dracula films, I don't know much more than that.

The first Hammer film I saw was Cushing's Hound of the Baskervilles, and from then on I was hooked on 'em. You can't beat Cushing and Lee together.

If we pinned that post to the top of the forum, I don't think there'd be any further need for the monthly "TATV Sux!!!1!" threads.

By all means... eliminate all forms of redundancy so that people who haven't been here for a decade are forbidden to discuss anything that has ever been discussed previously- that way the super important 5 word story can eventually be the only thread in the entire Enterprise forum and a cardboard cut out of the principal from the Breakfast Club can moderate it. Brilliant. Rarely, if ever, have I heard such an excellent plan.

???

Lordy, hon, it was a joke. J-O-K-E. We have a TATV rant thread here every month or so precisely because it's still a sore spot with a lot of people, and a new wave comes along that needs to kick it around some more.

I mean, how could we live without stuff like this?

All Good Things, What You Leave Behind, Endgame. None of them had a Teneebian amethyst!

Then again... cooleddie and MeanJoePhaser would probably really go for a "5 Words Only" forum.

 

[Treknut]

Lets see the final episode of Enterprise...

Was actually a TNG episode, no real Enterprise characters where shown - they where all holograms.

Trip died one of the most stupid deaths in Trek History for a main character and the emotional impact on the episode was zero.

If the holograms where accurate no one got a promotion in 5 years, Reed Sato and the rest cared more for their seating at the big speech (the we didn't hear) than Trips death and Shran the Andorian who couldn't sleep knowing he owed Archer a debt in a previous episode was now a jewel thief. At least his character evolved - or I mean devolved.

The crew talked to Chef about personal issues although in the previous 4 seasons he wasn't seen at all.

I don't think they could of shoved any more "TNG is the best trek" references down our throats.

To me it was the indifference of B&B to the fans that had watched the show for 4 years that pissed me off the most. They served up a turd and didn't even try to polish it into a fitting finale. Valentine to the fans my ass.

 

[Misfit Toy]

Then again... cooleddie and MeanJoePhaser would probably really go for a "5 Words Only" forum.

But "That's what she said" is only four words...

 

[Saquist]

This explains it far better than I ever could....

http://trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=3777372&postcount=929

Except for the profanity, that was very well articulated.

 

[Middleman]

To me it was the indifference of B&B to the fans that had watched the show for 4 years that pissed me off the most. They served up a turd and didn't even try to polish it into a fitting finale. Valentine to the fans my ass.

That was pretty well said.

 

[Middleman]

Like Mangels said - "The Paramount people were behind us on this [fixing TATV] 400%!"

We have to keep this quote on file for every time this subject comes up.

 

[KottenFutz]

I must say that I liked the idea of all the crew talking to "chef", I'm not sure if that was just an aspect of the holo-program or not. Like, can you just plug yourself in to the "chef" character and run a sub-routine bringing all the crew in one at a time to discuss whatever was going on at that point in history, as a learning tool? Like Geordi did with that fancy lady engineer in TNG, or like being in a holo-program from the White House kitchen in 1902 as another "chef" and talking to Teddy Roosevelt late at night, making him a big sandwhich, and discussing whether or not he should appoint Oliver Wendell Holmes to the supreme court? That would be great!! And Frakes was interesting in the role.

BUT, I also wonder about the real chef of NX-01, was it really like that? Did the crew talk to him while he made ravioli? The chef character would have been interesting to explore as the one crew member who is not involved with the bigger issues of the ship, he's just part of the service staff. I also speculated that he was a robot, like his name was an acronym for something: Cuisine and Hydroponic Electronic Preperation and Handling, or "C.H.E.P.H", something silly like that. But, I liked the idea of a real guy or girl making real food on board a starfleet warp ship, a quaint notion in Star Trek as a nod to the early era Enterprise was in, still not totally automated. It was nice to know he was a real guy... or was he?

That's just one aspect of this episode I liked, and to be honest, it was also neat to see Riker and Troi, but I'm not sure why they had to plug in the plot about finding the Titan from TNG... it could have just been Riker having some fun on the Holo-NX.

 

[SFRabid]

If a chef had that part in Enterprise they might have well made it Guinan. The comparison would have been there.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

If a chef had that part in Enterprise they might have well made it Guinan.

Or Neelix.

 

[Mach5]

Or Neelix.

Please make me unseeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

 

[Michael]

Titan

Pegasus.

 

[KottenFutz]

Titan

Pegasus.

Gesundheit!



That's right, it was Pegasus, thank you.

 

[archeryguy1701]

The biggest things for me was the fact that I didn't feel it was a particularly good episode in general, it was a huge let down from the preceding 2-parter, and it wasn't an Enterprise episode... it was a TNG episode with ENT guests. Every other show has tried to go out and make it big, but ENT just went out with a whimper and didn't even get to own their own finale. Was it a disaster? No. But it definately wasn't a Valentine either. Unless you look at it as one of those mean, "I'm breaking up with you" Valentines. Then that might count.

 

[ALF]

What we need is an equivalent to "The Phantom Edit". Some on on these boards started one a long time ago, after the finale aired but it never materialized.

The grievances with the episode could mostly be edited around, I think. Exposing Trip's death as a cover up for Romulan espionage would be a focal point. Except for the lack of promotions... possibly. Footage from Twilight maybe? Travis, Hoshi and Reed all had promotions in Twilight, didn't they?

I still hold out hope that The Good That Men Do will be adapted into a graphic novel at some point.

 

[Mach5]

I still hold out hope that The Good That Men Do will be adapted into a graphic novel at some point.

Yeah, I wonder why IDW comics isn't doing Enterprise...

Considering all the AU crap they do, not to mention DS9 stories which take place during the early seasons and stuff like that...